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Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
Category: Reference, Education and News > Education Asked by: nautico-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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24 Aug 2004 07:30 PDT
Expires: 28 Aug 2004 05:12 PDT Question ID: 391829 |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: redhoss-ga on 24 Aug 2004 07:57 PDT |
Because we weren't taught in school (just a guess). |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: ac67-ga on 24 Aug 2004 08:48 PDT |
I suspect the answer is not that we weren't taught in school. Virtually all school systems teach proper grammar and punctuation. It is not necessarily enforced in classes other than English class, though. More likely, it is a combination of laziness (or desire for more efficiency, if you prefer), lack of practice, lack of typing skills (I refuse to use keyboard as a verb, although others are welcome to if they so choose), and lack of feedback on improper usage. Lastly, the internet seems to foster poor grammar, punctuation and spelling. This is largely due to chat rooms and IM, where the urge is to get the communication off as fast as possible to avoid being left behind. This spills over into other realms of communication, such as e-mail. Ultimately, it may also involve evolution of the language. The English language is a wonderfully fluid entity serving the purpose of communication. As long as the message is being communicated accurately, it doesn't matter how perfectly punctuated it is. Indeed, it is common to see beautifully constructed sentences being used specifically to confuse or misconvey a message. Of course, one has to keep in mind the implied messages one inadvertently sends by way of non-standard punctuation and spelling. Regarding the ellipses specifically, I don't know why this punctuation has become so popular... |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: kriswrite-ga on 24 Aug 2004 09:12 PDT |
I know people who *can* write a well-written letter, with proper punctuation, but choose not to when writing emails. So, I think laziness is the real culprit. We tend to use email as a quick way of communicating; we want to dash off notes quickly. Many people don't even want to take the time to use a spell checker, even. Kriswrite |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: monroe22-ga on 24 Aug 2004 10:13 PDT |
I like ac67's comment: perfect punctuation is not necessary. I pride myself on vocabulary, clear writing, and yes, punctuation. Yet, I am an habitual user of the ellipse in typing emails. Why? I am a poor typist...the ellipse provides a pause for thought, without returning to the beginning and having to construct an elegant sentence. Thus, in casual writing, why be concerned? In serious, well-crafted writing it should be avoided. monroe22 |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: rcarr-ga on 24 Aug 2004 10:30 PDT |
It's a real shame more people aren't more clear in their use of English. Reading a sentence like "so were r u goin for ur vacation this yr" takes more effort than "so, where are you going for your vacation this year?" which most of us can read easily. Mobile phones and internet messaging don't help matters. It really annoys me to see teens using language like this (taken from an actual forum posting): "peeps do respect. u r 15 u need to losen up omg. its th way i am so if u don't like thn u will hav to get use to it". from http://community.channel4.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=162603557&f=7376079911&m=8086011211 This is the next generation, people. What will the English language be like in 50 years with people like this around? The over reliance on emoticons and abbreviations (LOL, OMG, ROTFL, etc.) is also annoying to me. The reason given for using these things is always that it helps to prevent misunderstandings in a non-verbal medium. Excuse me? Have we not been using the written word for communication for thousands of years? Suddenly the internet comes along and we all need little abbreviations and smily faces to understand each other? When we read a historical document such as Samuel Pepys' diary we can understand him. He didn't need to write "omg dude im so plzd wiv my diry lol ;)" to make himself clear did he? As far as punctuation goes I've kind of given up on seeing the apostrophe used properly but a comma, semi-colon or even an honest-to-goodness full-stop (period) would be nice to see from time to time, if only for nostalgia's sake. |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: nautico-ga on 24 Aug 2004 10:37 PDT |
I would accept the IM- and chat room-fostered reason, if it weren't for the fact that most of my ellipses-dependent correspondents have never seen the inside of the latter or IM'ed with anyone. I'm more persuaded by the laziness reason, but I think there's another related reason. Lots of folks who receive ellipses laden messages say to themselves "Hey, why don't I do that, too? It looks so easy, and then I won't have to be concerned about committing some insignificant punctuation gaffe that would surely be noted by my pendantic friends." And finally another possible reason: "i wanna be a cool member of 21st century cyberspace...free wheeling...unencumbered by rules...my friends have got the right idea here...by george i'm going to join them...." |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: smudgy-ga on 24 Aug 2004 10:48 PDT |
I think the reason is that e-mail text tends, in practice, to emulate spoken words rather than penned words; the ellipsis tend to get used to indicate a pause for thought, to indicate that the author is "trying to think of the right word", etc. The ellipsis is attempting to show hesitation on the part of the author, for one reason or another, or to indicate the cadence of their "speech". There isn't really another type of punctuation that lends itself to this usage: the period is too final, the comma not terminal enough, and the colon and semicolon too formalized in their usage. Besides, the use of ellipses to indicate "continued momentarily" is already well-established in certain texts (think comic books, where a single sentence might be broken up over two or more word balloons). -smudgy. |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: nautico-ga on 24 Aug 2004 10:53 PDT |
Stated otherwise, the ellipsis is the email equivalent of "ya know." |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: tisme-ga on 24 Aug 2004 11:07 PDT |
I am guilty as charged. I think part of it with me is that I can type faster than I can think and I often use "..." while I am thinking about what to write next. I write a staggering number of emails (and online posts) everyday and to properly format and puncuate them... besides has it ever killed anyone? :P ^ | classic example |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: tisme-ga on 24 Aug 2004 11:09 PDT |
hehehe... sorry I just had to do it. (there it is again). OK, I promise to stop now. :P |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: nautico-ga on 24 Aug 2004 11:24 PDT |
I must confess I'm puzzled as to why one feels compelled to strike the period key repeatedly while thinking through his or her next sentence. Why not simply gaze at the wall? |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: steph53-ga on 24 Aug 2004 16:25 PDT |
I too am guilty as charged:( However, when using my business e-mail with co-workers and management, I always try to be as professional as possible. Sometimes its real hard to do, as I have caught myself many times with things such as : "r u goin for a break"? Great topic of the current times!!! Steph53 |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 24 Aug 2004 16:30 PDT |
Here's something interesting on the subject: "In Japanese manga, the ellipsis by itself represents speechlessness, usually as an admission of guilt or a response to being dumbfounded as a result of something that another person has just said or done. The growing popularity of manga worldwide has extended this convention beyond the borders of Japan." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: efn-ga on 24 Aug 2004 20:36 PDT |
I think it's style...but maybe they're practicing three-dot journalism... http://www.gallerybooks.com/bkm/bkm70403.htm http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/1996/03/31/SC22615.DTL http://www.ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech/1997-January/012701.html |
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Re: Whence cometh this fondness for ellipses?
From: ac67-ga on 25 Aug 2004 06:59 PDT |
I agree with some of the comments above that stress differences between informal and formal writing. I'm not offended by this in informal e-mails, just as I don't think about poor grammar or pronunciation that much in informal conversation. However, in the business arena, I expect more, and tend to be a little more concerned if the correspondence is full of errors, just as I would be if a newscaster, for example, was constantly using poor grammar and mispronouncing words. |
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