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Subject:
Stock options and company valuations - long term profit potential (and taxes)
Category: Business and Money > Finance Asked by: mpb999-ga List Price: $25.00 |
Posted:
26 Aug 2004 07:23 PDT
Expires: 25 Sep 2004 07:23 PDT Question ID: 392882 |
I'm going to work for a company that is privately held, but which plans to go public with an IPO in the next five years. It is a financial services / mortgage business and currently operates in about 30 states. Last year, an outside consulting firm valued the company around $1.00 a share. The company is offering a bonus plan where it is offering one share of stock for every $4 of commission earned. So I could conceivably receive 25,000 stock options (exercisable in three years) over the next year if my income reaches $100,000. According to their five-year plan, they believe the stock will eventually be valued around $50 per share (based on exponential company growth and sales, etc.). Hypothetically speaking, this would mean my 25,000 shares would be worth $1,250,000. Obviously, this seems too good to be true. So I am wondering how likely or realistic such a scenario would actually be. I'm wondering how likely it would be for ANY 5-6 year old private company to be valued at $50 per share, and what the expectation of change (for better or worse) would be if such a company went public. Would the 25,000 shares still be valued at $50 per share at the initial public offering, or what would mostly likely happen to the stock value, based on the stock performance of similar companies? (I realize this is a difficult - if not impossible - question to answer, but even a rough idea from someone who "knows the market" would be helpful.) Though I don't really follow the stock market, I've seen IPO stocks begin trading at $10-$15 a share (far from the $50 this company is supposedly anticipating). Then, of course, some stocks go much higher (even overnight), and then some end up trading at $2 a share. I know Google did an unusual auction-based IPO starting at $85 a share, but since that's not the norm, what would be even remotely realistic to expect? Again, they are supposedly anticipating that the stock will be valued around $50 per share BEFORE the company goes public (based on a projected company valuation). So I'd like to know: 1.) If this is EVEN REMOTELY REALISTIC, and 2.) If I could potentially expect my shares to actually be CASH-ABLE for 50 times what I paid? Please explain and elaborate as much as possible. I appreciate all feedback. My last consideration regarding this, is what possible tax ramifications could occur from receiving these stock options - whether it goes as expected, or it fails and the options are never exercised? |
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Re: Stock options and company valuations - long term profit potential (and taxe
From: daytrader_7__6-ga on 26 Aug 2004 12:04 PDT |
They seem to speculate just a tad, don't they? Five years is a long time. The company's continued success may be closely tied to our exceptionally low interest rates of the moment and the resulting mortgage boom. There's no way to know if the boom will end soon or not. There are many people who have entered the mortgage market in the past 5 years who do not realize that it is a cyclical business. If and when rates go up, refinances dry up right away. The mortgage businesses that stay afloat in such a climate would have diversified their income sources - new housing loans, relationships with Realtors, commercial real estate, and whatever else. Also, and I cannot stress this enough, the value of your shares is the amount someone else is willing to pay for them. Your accountants can rave on and on about book value, but it means nothing until the shares trade in an open market with a real bid and offer. Regardless, it appears that you are doing well for yourself. Congratulations, and good luck with the new job. |
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Re: Stock options and company valuations - long term profit potential (and taxes)
From: questioncrazy-ga on 06 Dec 2004 16:31 PST |
You seem to be asking questions to which you already know the answer. ?What if it fails and the options are never exercised?? This is the case with any volatile high-return stock. There?s a reason that the return will be huge ? IF there is one, of course. I would argue that you should indeed take the options under either of two conditions: 1) You believe in the long-term growth of the company, Or 2) You know someone willing to buy your options before they are exercised. Between the two small companies I have worked for, and my entrepreneurial friends, I am often offered an opportunity for investment like the one you describe. One of my friends has a newsletter that is constantly offering these quick-return huge-profit stocks (see www.stock-investing-guru.com) . I have yet to see, however, any of these companies go public. Do not confuse ?potential growth? with ?actual value.? This applies to both the options and the company itself. If you can confirm that you are doing so under one of the two conditions I mentioned above, then great, do so. But remember that in doing so you are still placing a very large wager. |
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