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Inductance - Classical Electromagnetism
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: gerlach-ga List Price: $65.00 |
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30 Aug 2004 12:37 PDT
Expires: 29 Sep 2004 12:37 PDT Question ID: 394654 |
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Re: Inductance - Classical Electromagnetism
From: upstartaudio-ga on 30 Aug 2004 16:48 PDT |
Let W2 represent the new energy condition after work W has been added to the initial condition. The initial condition is just I1^2*L1 so therefore: W2 = I1^2*L1 + W Since we know the total work in the superconductor is W2, and that since it is a superconductor it does not lose energy (R = 0 ohms) we can say that the energy doesn't change after the wire is deformed. So therefore: W2 = I2^2*L2 Solving for I2 we get: I2 = sqrt(W2/L2) and substituting the original equation for W2: I2 = sqrt((I1^2*L1 + W)/L2) Does that answer the question? or did I miss something subtle in the problem? |
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Re: Inductance - Classical Electromagnetism
From: upstartaudio-ga on 30 Aug 2004 16:55 PDT |
The answer to part 1 is sort of. Since the manner in which the wire is deformed will determine the new inductance. If the area remains constant, then the flux density will too. Total flux must remain constant because any change would be counteracted by a change in current (this is accounted for in the change in the inductance value). If the wire is deformed in such a way that the area changes, then the inductance will also change, and therefore, so will the current. But if the area doesn't change, then no net energy will be required to deform it. I said "Sort of" above because you don't need to know how the wire was deformed if you can measure the change in inductance. But you could presumably develop an expression for the change in area (and therefore inductance) by looking at the total work required to deform the wire. The *manner* would then be unimportant as long as the total work was known. I'll leave the derivation of that expression to whoever wants to answer this question for real... |
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Re: Inductance - Classical Electromagnetism
From: gerlach-ga on 30 Aug 2004 21:45 PDT |
Dear upstartaudio-ga, Thanks for the comments. Your expression for I2 does not answer the question, because I'm looking either for an expression for I2 which depends solely on L1, L2, I1 (see the clarification to the question), or a proof that no such expression exists. There is one little nit. The expression for energy stored in an inductor is .5*L*I^2, not L*I^2. With this nit corrected, the expression you wrote for I2 becomes: I2 = sqrt( (I1^2*L1 + 2*W ) / L2 ) Eq1 Quantities L1 and L2 are determined solely by the geometry of the wire configuration at the start and finish. There are integral expressions for the inductance given the wire geometry. It is my conjecture that I2 is also determined solely by the start and finish geometry, and the starting current I1. One reason I suspect this is because it checks out for the case I1=0. If I1=0, then it takes no work to deform the wire (W=0), and therefore I2=0, regardless of how the wire was deformed in going from start to finish. However if I1~=0, then it will take work to deform the wire, and Eq1 states whatever work W we do will show up in the magnetic energy of the system. An equivalent way of stating question #2 is ?How much work W needs to be done to go from start to finish?? Once you have W in terms of L1, L2, and I1, you can plug it into Eq1, and the problem is solved. Is this reasonable? |
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