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Is new Info. on President Bush fake war ribbons true?
Category: Business and Money Asked by: maluca-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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03 Sep 2004 17:35 PDT
Expires: 03 Oct 2004 17:35 PDT Question ID: 396630 |
The fact that he is wearing ribbons in a offical photo that he supposedly did not "earn" was shown to me . Looks very real. Is this accusation true? source I have. http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=276 |
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Re: Is new Info. on President Bush fake war ribbons true?
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 05 Sep 2004 16:07 PDT Rated: |
Dear maluca-ga Thank you for accepting my comment as an answer. I wish I could have provided more conclusive evidence but perhaps more will come out about this subject soon. It was my pleasure to work with you and I look forward to next time. regards; tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Is new Info. on President Bush fake war ribbons true?
From: kriswrite-ga on 03 Sep 2004 19:38 PDT |
Given that (as the article mentions) the dates don't match up and G.W. clearly had no reason to be wearing such medals (even by his own admission), it's quite possible this is faked. It would be easy enough to do. I could not find the photo on George Bush senior's Presidential Library website. Kriswrite |
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Re: Is new Info. on President Bush fake war ribbons true?
From: maluca-ga on 03 Sep 2004 22:13 PDT |
Kriswrite: You are commenting as a Google Expert I assume. 1)This is a Official photo and published in USA TODAY which is available on the site I provided.it is also available on the site via a link in comment 43. 2) The dates are very specific and do match the time he was in and the time he would have had to have been in the unit to collect such a ribbon. He was not in the military then. This is documented. 3) He was wearing a ribbon and not a medal as my question clearly stated. Given the above how could this be faked? I hope its not true but given the facts I took the time to research it looks pretty damning. The question I posted with the source I provided was to be reviewed by someone who was knowledgable and interested. Your comment was not needed as I have learned other GE's avoid questions that appear to be resolved. I do ask you why you commented and did not post as a answer? |
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Re: Is new Info. on President Bush fake war ribbons true?
From: maluca-ga on 03 Sep 2004 22:47 PDT |
More regarding how authentic the photo is said to be after I inquired AGAIN tonight.From The sites owner: Sure ? Perhaps Google ?experts? should learn to use their own search engine, from which we got the photograph posted on George H.W. Bush?s Presidential Library Website: http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/photos/photos.php?file=HS502.jpg. And for those who are saying we faked the photograph, this link has been posted from the Raw Story front page for two days ? and this was linked from the very top of this article. Could it not be more obvious? Thanks for your query. Now can we get back to the original question? |
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Re: Is new Info. on President Bush fake war ribbons true?
From: tutuzdad-ga on 04 Sep 2004 07:49 PDT |
Dear maluca-ga; The photograph does appear to be authentic as it is on display at the Bush Library web site: BUSH LIBRARY http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/photos/photos.php?file=HS502.jpg According to this DD 214 (official summary of service at the time of separation from the military) supposedly obtained by USATODAY, there is no indication of any authorized decorations, medals or citations awarded to George W. Bush (note the ?N/A? in this field which commonly denotes ?not applicable? or ?none?) USATODAY http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/11-1_2004_Personnel_File.pdf (Page 11, Line 24 of the document) Page 6, Line 24 of his Military Discharge records as depicted here indicate that Bush was awarded and authorized to wear ONLY a TAFMS (Total Air Force Military Service) Ribbon and a TAFCS (Total Active Federal Commission Service) Ribbon. UNTITLED http://img47.exs.cx/img47/2624/BushANG22-box24.gif (Enlargement of the area in question) DISCHARGE http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/2-Discharge.pdf (Allegedly a copy of the actual document) This brief military biography said to have originated from the Bush Administration also fails to mention the award: UNTITLED http://img38.exs.cx/img38/7273/Bio-2.jpg President Bush?s military records can be seen here and there appears to be no mention of the Air force Outstanding Unit Award: President Bush's military records http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm From what I can tell the Air force Outstanding Unit Award was in fact awarded to 147th Fighter Intercept Group and the 111th Fighter Intercept Squadron (Bush?s former units) in this manner: 147th Fighter Interceptor Group AFOUA 1 Oct 73-30 Sep 75 DAFSO GB 164/77 111 Fighter Interceptor Squadron AFOUA 1 Oct 73-30 Sep 75 DAFSO GB 164/77 The award explicitly states that the units received the Air force Outstanding Unit Award for the time period from October 1, 1973 to September 30, 1975 but George W. Bush was actually discharged from the 111th FIS and the 147th FIG on October 1, 1973. Assuming his discharge would technically have taken effect at midnight (between October 1st to 2nd 1973) and he technically was departed from the unit JUST BEFORE the first day the award went into effect, as such he would seem to be excluded from those members who were authorized to wear it ? as evidenced by the lack of mention of these awards in his military records. On the other hand, if he were discharged ON the 1st of October 1973 (the first day the award went into effect) then he WOULD be authorized to wear the award. AWOLBUSH.COM http://www.awolbush.com/awards.asp What it all boils down to, it appears, is what TIME Bush?s discharge became effective and what time they were signed into effect by the Commanding Officer (something we may never know for sure). Having that that, there is indeed some valid question as to whether Bush is authorized to wear the award, but the argument in favor is just as credible as the damning evidence. Not that this has anything at all to do with your question but I happened to notice something (new to me) while researching your question. According to this document, allegedly by his own admission at his time of enlistment, George Bush was arrested for disorderly conduct in December 1966 and this case was ?nolle prossed?, meaning that it was not dismissed with prejudice but was simply not prosecuted for whatever reason. USATODAY http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/11-1_2004_Personnel_File.pdf (See document on page 15) Since this does not make a case for either argument I am posting this as a comment for the time being and I can repost it as an official answer once you conclude that no other more accurate answer is possible. Just let me know. Regards; Tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Is new Info. on President Bush fake war ribbons true?
From: maluca-ga on 04 Sep 2004 22:15 PDT |
Tutuzdad: This is largely correct, but what you?ve missed is that the photograph could not have been taken after 1970. Also, that award could not have been written until Oct 1, 1975 ? meaning he wouldn?t have actually received it until then, and he?d left the Texas Guard in 1973 (and actually stopped flying in 1972).Do you agree? |
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Re: Is new Info. on President Bush fake war ribbons true?
From: maluca-ga on 05 Sep 2004 14:32 PDT |
I am going to consider this question well answered. Post as answer. |
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