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Subject:
Awards for military service
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: maluca-ga List Price: $30.00 |
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05 Sep 2004 14:35 PDT
Expires: 05 Oct 2004 14:35 PDT Question ID: 397220 |
What were the regulations governing wear of Air Force awards between November 26, 1969 and November 7, 1970? Specifically, was there authorization for ?temporary wear? of the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award during this period (that is to say, wear of a unit award awarded to that unit years prior to the time a newer officer joined the unit), which there is no provision for currently? | |
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Subject:
Re: Awards for military service
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 17 Sep 2004 15:59 PDT Rated: |
Dear maluca-ga: Thank you for your willingness to reward me for my research even though we may not have definitvely established an answer to this mystery. Rather than rehash what has been said in the course of this question (and to some extent in your other question as well) I will simply refer to you the comments below for future reference and say "Thank you". On an editorial note, these are strange times we live in, aren't they? With seemingly greater frequency in this generation questions arise without a clear answer and just as often perhaps our questions may seem a bit murky or misunderstood. I am a firm believer in the notion that "one never knows if one never asks" and no question is unworthy of asking. I appreciate your persistence in seeking the truth - regardless of what the truth may be - and I find your efforts courageous and admirable at the very least. Thank you again. I look forward to next time. Sincerest regards; tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Awards for military service
From: tutuzdad-ga on 06 Sep 2004 08:37 PDT |
I let this rest a while to see if anyone could come up with some definitive proof one way or the other. Since they have not, I'd like to offer you this for consideration: I tried in vain to locate some military regulation that stated the award was one that can be inherited by future members of the unit who were not necessarily present when the award was issued. Instead, I looked to see what was required to have a lost ribbon replaced. To my surprise I found this: "This Replacement Recognition is available ONLY to authorized recipients who possess orders, or authorization form, or release documentation that confirms award eligibility. (See "Issue Requirements"). To obtain either a Replacement Medal or a Replacement Recognition for your authorized award you will be required to provide military-issued documentation authorizing your award. There are no exceptions." Clearly then the implication is that if the award does not appear on a person's DD214 (as in George Bush's case) then he is not allowed to be issued a replacement ribbon. Logically then (according to this) one has to assume that if the award does not appear on someone's DD214 and he does not qualify for a replacement then he is NOT allowed to have the award in the first place and is, therefore, NOT authorized to wear it on his uniform. U.S. Air Force Outstanding Unit Award Replacement Recognition http://www.americanwarlibrary.com/replacement/afoua.htm Let me know if this suffices. Regards; tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Awards for military service
From: tutuzdad-ga on 06 Sep 2004 08:40 PDT |
"Issue Requirements You must submit the following: An unaltered photocopy of your DD-214 or other military issued document clearly displaying your award of the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award." (same site as mentioned above) tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Awards for military service
From: tutuzdad-ga on 06 Sep 2004 08:47 PDT |
Under Article 134, UCMJ, the maximum punishment for wearing unauthorized decorations is: "Bad-conduct discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 6 months." UCMJ Article 134 - (Wearing unauthorized insignia, decoration, badge, ribbon, device, or lapel button) http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl134-56.htm tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Awards for military service
From: tutuzdad-ga on 06 Sep 2004 19:00 PDT |
According to this individual, the answer to your question is NO, there is no provision for the temporary wear of an AFOUA. He has reportedly posed this very question to the Air Force Personnel Center and has published what he says is the original email and response (with headers) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x675299#675302 If Bush does have a DD215 (a corrected DD214 reflecting later decorations) I have yet to find it. So for now, assuming this email mentioned above is authentic, it appears we might assume that no DD215 exists and that the DD214 we have seen (showing no such authority to wear this award) is the accurate and standing record. I hope this answers your question. Regards; tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Awards for military service
From: tutuzdad-ga on 06 Sep 2004 19:26 PDT |
This is also assuming that the position of the Air Force on the temporary wearing of medals is the same now as it was at the time the Bush photo was taken (it could possibly have changed over the years). It is also interesting that in this much earlier photo (but well after the 1966 AFOUA would have been awarded to his unit) Bush is seen in uniform WITHOUT the medal when he would have been "authorized" to wear it IF the Air Force regulation allowed him to. Yet he isn't. http://svt.se/content/1/c6/17/09/75/bush_farosonPRB290.jpg It is not known if Bush was assigned to one of these units at the time this photograph was made so I'll let you draw your on conclusion there. Regards; tutuzdad-ga |
Subject:
Re: Awards for military service
From: tutuzdad-ga on 06 Sep 2004 19:57 PDT |
Finally, I want to add this (possibly, but not necessarily, in Bush's defense) that my personal understanding (from experience) is that at one time (during my military service and apparently during Bush's as well) if you are in a unit that has EVER won a unit award before you were assigned to that unit, you get to wear that unit award ONLYE WHILE ASSIGNED TO THAT UNIT. But, if the unit wins a unit award WHILE YOU ARE ASSIGNED TO THAT UNIT, you get to wear that unit award FOREVER. Now I cannot corroborate that common understanding with any hard evidence such as a military regulation or I certainly would. But I do know that this was the acceptable practice at one time and I, as well as millions of other soldiers, did it with full authority. As I mentioned, I wore a Korea and Philippines unit citations during my time int he military and both awards were earned, not by me, but BY MY UNIT, many years before I was even born. This may very well be the case with George W. Bush's medals and, in fact, if I had to guess, I would say it is, meaning ultimatley that no law has probably been broken and the ribbon in question is probably NOT being worn inappropriately. That's pretty much it. tutuzdad-ga |
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