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Sage contemplating egg: statue in Paris
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Visual Arts Asked by: archae0pteryx-ga List Price: $2.26 |
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18 Sep 2004 19:06 PDT
Expires: 27 Sep 2004 20:22 PDT Question ID: 403081 |
Here's the follow-up to my earlier question: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=384737 I now have a photo, which can be seen at http://membres.lycos.fr/dbky/Apteryx/JardinPlantesStatue.jpg Can you identify the subject of this statue? I am pricing this low because I have already paid for it once; but I will tip the researcher who can tell me something I don't already know toward identifying who is represented in this statue. Best of all, of course, would be a positive ID. (Parisian researcher, how about visiting the Jardin and Museum as a nice Sunday outing and seeing if you can read what it says on the base?) No credit for repeating information that has already been supplied. To be clear: I am not so much interested in this particular piece of statuary, its sculptor, dates, etc., as I am in knowing who it depicts and what is the story that goes with this figure who is performing this act of contemplation. Thank you, Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Sage contemplating egg: statue in Paris
From: markj-ga on 19 Sep 2004 03:06 PDT |
ArchaeOpteryx -- The statue looks more like Herodotus than Ovid: http://www.losttrails.com/media/Herodotus/athens35-30b.jpg Herodotus had this, among other things, to say about eggs, although the egg in question seems a little small to be a phoenix egg: "73. There is also another sacred bird called the ph?nix which I did not myself see except in painting, for in truth he comes to them very rarely, at intervals, as the people of Heliopolis say, of five hundred years; and these say that he comes regularly when his father dies; and if he be like the painting, he is of this size and nature, that is to say, some of his feathers are of gold colour and others red, and in outline and size he is as nearly as possible like an eagle. This bird they say (but I cannot believe the story) contrives as follows:? setting forth from Arabia he conveys his father, they say, to the temple of the Sun (Helios) plastered up in myrrh, and buries him in the temple of the Sun; and he conveys him thus:?he forms first an egg of myrrh as large as he is able to carry, and then he makes trial of carrying it, and when he has made trial sufficiently, then he hollows out the egg and places his father within it and plasters over with other myrrh that part of the egg where he hollowed it out to put his father in, and when his father is laid in it, it proves (they say) to be of the same weight as it was; and after he has plastered it up, he conveys the whole to Egypt to the temple of the Sun. Thus they say that this bird does." History of Herodotus: Book 2 http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/h/h4m/chapter2.html markj-ga |
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Re: Sage contemplating egg: statue in Paris
From: luntes-ga on 27 Sep 2004 13:39 PDT |
Archae0pteryx, I have e-mailed the Natural History Museum in Paris and that's what they have told me: Monsieur, La statue "Science et mystère" (que l'on appelle aussi "L'homme à l'oeuf"), à l'origine placée dans la galerie de Zoologie, est signée "L. Schroeder" (prénoms Louis-Jean-Désiré), et datée "1890". Elle porte le numéro MNHN.657 dans l'inventaire des objets d'art du Muséum. En ce qui concerne l'identité du philosophe représenté, si tant est qu'il y en ait une, je ne peux vous répondre. Vous pourriez trouver des renseignements dans Lami, Dict. Sculpt. Ec. Fr. 19è, 4, p.250 ou dans les catalogues des expositions suivantes : Expo. Univ. 1889 n°2147, Salon 1890 n°4487 Salon 1886 n°4543 (pour le modèle en plâtre) Avec mes cordiales salutations, Marie-Pierre Leandri Morin Translation: Sir, The statue "Science and mystery" (that we also call " The man with the egg")was first placed in the Zoology gallery. It is signed "L. Schroeder" (first names Louis-Jean-Desiré)and dated "1890". The sattue's number is MNHN.657 in the inventory of art objects of the museum. As what it concerns the identity of the philosopher represented, if it has one, I can't answer you. You can find the reference in Lami.....Dictionnaire des sculpteurs de l'école française... or in the catalogs of the following exhibitions: ........Exposition Universelle 1889 .........( for the model in plaster) Best regards Marie-Pierre Leandri Morin Best regards Luntes |
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Re: Sage contemplating egg: statue in Paris
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 27 Sep 2004 19:44 PDT |
Bravo, Luntes! Merci, merci. I should have thought of that myself, but I didn't. How nice to have the question answered! I am in your debt. Since you are not a researcher, I can't thank you properly with a fee and a tip. But I can buy you a question. If there's something you'd like to ask a GA researcher for, let's say, $5.19, post it here, and I will submit it as a question on my account. Archae0pteryx |
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