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Subject: Hebrew Name : origin and meaning
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: jpete-ga
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Posted: 26 Sep 2004 18:42 PDT
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Question ID: 406692
I am tryng to research the origin of a proper hebrew name, but I do
not know with confidence the spelling. It is phoenetically : chendahl,
with the accent on on the first. It sounds like a contraction of
cherri and "dahl".
What does it mean? Where does this person come from (She thinks, generally :Russia)

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 26 Sep 2004 19:09 PDT
That is a most interesting question. Currently, I suspect that the
name is a slightly corrupted variant of a German Jewish name,
Schönthal. Among the Yiddish-speaking Jewish communities of Eastern
Europe and Russia, the name over the centuries could have easily
changed to something that sounded approximately like "shendahl" (with
accent on the first part). Would that sound like the name you have in
mind?

Scriptor

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 26 Sep 2004 20:40 PDT
jpete-ga,


Hello,

I checked a few databases of largely Jewish names.  Chendahl doesn't
show up exactly as you have spelled it, but there's no shortage of
close hits, including:


Schindel.......Poland
Sheindle.......Poland
Shindel.........Ukraine
Schonthal......Austria
Sheintal.........Poland
Shonthall.......Germany
Shandel.........Poland
Schendel.......Germany
Schonthal......Germany
Shindell..........Lithuania
Shandl...........Russia
Zundell..........Lithuania 
Zendell..........Poland

....and so on.

Beyond this, though, it's hard to know just how to proceed.  The
original name could have been so many different things -- and had such
different histories -- that I'm just not sure how to go about
answering your question.

Any thoughts?

pafalafa-ga

Clarification of Question by jpete-ga on 27 Sep 2004 04:04 PDT
The only additional information that I can add is that the family
presumes it's history amongst, presumably western, Russia. My friends
grand parents immigrated from Europe before 1950- the 2 current
generations being born in America. They spoke yiddish extensively. My
friend (with the name) is tall and blond - almost scandinavian
appearing, but I know that can't be the case. She carries the american
name "cheri" which I only recently began to suspect may have been
chosen because of it's similar sound. It would seem reasonable, from
the sound to spell it with a c or an s as in schendal. The hebrew
spelling, which I would also be looking for, has not been recorded.

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 27 Sep 2004 09:03 PDT
I have done additional research in the library today, but
unfortunately without gaining any new insights. So all I can say is
that, should the name really be a corrupted variant of "Schönthal" or
"Schöntal" [the "h" in the word "Tal" was dropped in modern German],
the literal meaning would be "Fair Valley". Since Jewish families in
Eastern Europe often derived their names from the places in Germany
they had originally come from, the name might refer to the town of
Schöntal in Germany. However, I can't prove it. But maybe it's
interesting or useful for you.

Regards,
Scriptor
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Subject: Re: Hebrew Name : origin and meaning
Answered By: politicalguru-ga on 27 Sep 2004 09:58 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear JPete, 

Chendahl, in various forms (as discussed above by my colleague
Pafalafa-ga), is not a hebrew name, although it is a distinctive
Jewish first name for a woman. It is a Yiddish name.

Yiddish, as you may already know, is an European language used by Jews
of Eastern Europe and Russia, that integrated old-German and Hebrew.

The word Sheyn in Yiddish means "beautiful", "fair" or "pretty" ,
similarly to the German "sch?n".

The "dl" suffix is popular in Yiddish names as a diminutive, "cuter" form: 

"The Yiddish diminutive of a name, as well as of other words, is usually
formed by the addition of a final lamed /l/, for example Avreml, Dovidl,
Khayiml.  But when the name ends with a nun /n/, it is formed by the
addition of daled _and_ lamed /dl/, for example Sheyndl, Zalmendl,
Zundl." (SOURCE: "Mendele: Yiddish literature and language",
<http://shakti.trincoll.edu/~mendele/vol05/vol05.125>).

"Popular diminutive endings for Yiddish female names were -el or -dl,
such as when Raisa becomes Raisel, Sheina becomes Sheindl, and Feiga
becomes Feigel.   (Note that typical Polish spellings are used in the
slide)." (SOURCE: Diminutives, Yiddish - Female,
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/GivenNames/slide32.html>).

In Yiddish, by the way, it is written like that: 
???????
or, I also seen 
??????
Since Yiddish is written with Hebrew fonts, I am not sure if this
original form helps at all, it is pronounced "sheyndel".

The meaning of your friend's name, in other words, is "beauty", and
from the way you describe her, it is pretty appropriate ;-)

As for the origin, and given the fact that you are spelling your
friend's name from pronounciation, it could be, generally speaking,
from everywhere in Eastern Europe/Russia, and even from some Yiddish
speaking communities in Western Europe.

However, the Given Name Database
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/index.htm> has a
couple of records that might shed some light, although they are also
highly speculative: as I said before, the name was a highly popular
name among Yiddish speakers, and was popular across geographic
boundaries.

The GNDb suggest, as a first source, Galicia (today part of Ukraine
and Lithuania), where you can find two items with this name:

The Galician Given Names Database
<http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsearch~model~GNDB_GALI~CHENDAHL~GD~!4!~0~USRECORD467>

Record II from the Galician Given Names Database
<http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsearch~model~GNDB_GALI~CHENDAHL~GD~!4!~0~USRECORD468>

It does not give reference to this name, with this spelling from any
other of the countries in their database, so it could be that the name
- in this transformation comes from Galicia.

See more: 
Behind the name: Jewish Names <http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/jew2.html> 

Yiddish/Foreign origin Names
<http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateMonk/Middle-East/Jewish/Yiddish.htm>

I hope this answers your question. Please contact me if you need any
further clarification on this answer before you rate it.

Sources: I must admit that I recognised the name the moment you wrote
the question, but just to be sure:
(1) Spoke with a Yiddish speaker
(2) Searched the net on Yiddish names, and their history. 

PS: There is an American actress who goes by the name of M?dchen
Amick. The word "M?dchen" means "a girl" in German (and Yiddish),
that's all. I wonder what her parents were thinking.

Request for Answer Clarification by jpete-ga on 27 Sep 2004 17:10 PDT
Thank you for your thoughtful answer - I am very impressed at the
detail and thoughtfulness.
Minimal additional info:
her grandmother fled (?) Romania in ~1918, possibly in advance of the
Soviets, leaving some family members behind.
when I showed her the list of possible spellings today, she seemed to
latch on to "Shandl"
I will go through the links that you provided. Again - many thanks !!!

Clarification of Answer by politicalguru-ga on 28 Sep 2004 00:51 PDT
Thank you JPete. There are several good sites on Jewish genealogy, the
best in my opinion, that also has a forum (where she might get more
answers on the history of the region and of her family) is :

JewishGen
<http://www.jewishgen.org/> 

But, here are some other good links, from a University of Pittsburgh homepage: 
JGL - Jewish Genealogy Links
<http://www.pitt.edu/~meisel/jewish/>
jpete-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $10.00
Magnificant, Thoughtful, detailed research - I will spend days pouring
over the information he provided !

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Subject: Re: Hebrew Name : origin and meaning
From: politicalguru-ga on 28 Sep 2004 00:53 PDT
 
And of course, thank you for the rating and the tip!

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