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Moving a love triangle to polyamory with one reluctant vertex
Category: Relationships and Society > Relationships Asked by: realityseeker-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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26 Sep 2004 20:53 PDT
Expires: 26 Oct 2004 20:53 PDT Question ID: 406735 |
Only $10 of that $20 is for answering--the other half is just for reading all the way through the question, I realize it's long and complicated, but I've tried to provide all, and only, the background you'll need for a good answer. There's a Girl and a guy (Devoted) who had a wonderful, monogamous relationship; honest and caring, for a year and a half. Girl went on a trip and was attracted to another, Devoted reluctantly acquiesced to the fling, and she found herself swept away further and further by New. This wasn't just a fling anymore, but she still wanted Devoted more permanently, even though she wanted New more passionately. Devoted decided that fidelity wasn't the most important factor in his relationships--although he was hurt, he still wanted Girl back, and proposed polyamory since two months after meeting New, and a month after her trip ended she still couldn't get over him. Girl loved the idea, but since New was a pretty traditionally minded guy (she'd almost lost him for two weeks after telling him about the relationship she'd already had with Devoted during their fling) she was sure he'd break off all relations permanently if she suggested polyamory. How can Girl convince New to accept polyamory? She tried for two months to choose one or the other but can't give either up, and she feels very guilty for the hurt she's caused them both but doesn't want the loss or pain she may "deserve," so answers involving either of these two factors won't help. An alternative solution may be acceptable, but I consider it a smallish chance. |
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Re: Moving a love triangle to polyamory with one reluctant vertex
From: probonopublico-ga on 26 Sep 2004 23:17 PDT |
This looks like a recipe for disaster. |
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Re: Moving a love triangle to polyamory with one reluctant vertex
From: silver777-ga on 27 Sep 2004 06:29 PDT |
Why is it that the poor, the sick and the benevolent seem not to have such dilemmas as described? Maybe it's because they don't have any cake at all, let alone the choice of wanting to eat and also to have at the same time. It is not so much a love triangle, but rather a "Y" shaped interlude as in the forked tongue of a snake. To even suggest such a term as polyamory can only lead to further mistrust. (I can't find polyamory in my dictionary, but I get your intended meaning). You already know that Google will not provide an answer, only comments. I believe that the wrong question is being asked in the first place. The question should not be "how to convince?". New was not aware of Devoted, until after. Hence his admirable values in backing off then. Devoted's acquiessence creates perhaps an exciting opportunity for him to suggest the same with a 4th party. (Keeping a card up his sleeve of "It's OK to do this"). Girl may not like it when the shoe is on the other foot. Imagine 4th party doing the same, and so on. Girl will then leave Devoted for New. New will never trust Girl. Devoted will end up alone. Everyone gets hurt. Bloody wonderful. You are correct. It's complicated .. but need not be. The question should perhaps be "Who will have the courage to be honest here?" Maybe all three can meet to sort it out. I doubt it, as Girl is enjoying her indecision in being wanted by two men. Dr. Phil :) |
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Re: Moving a love triangle to polyamory with one reluctant vertex
From: realityseeker-ga on 30 Sep 2004 07:49 PDT |
Thanks for the in-depth commentary, silver777. I didn't realize I couldn't tip anyone except the actual answerer, but if you've a paypal account or some such thing I'll get $10 for the reading and true thought into it. There's more honesty going on than you think, though. Girl has admitted from the very first that she wouldn't be ok with devoted doing the same thing, while admitting that made her a very bad girlfriend. Devoted's fatal flaw isn't lust, though--long ago he had a foursome and enjoyed but was underwhelmed--it's just having a little too much of the invertebrate. I agree with you, though, that New's only fault was being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and being really attractive. But from all my analysis the problem isn't a lack of honesty, it's just that, honestly, it doesn't help here. |
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Re: Moving a love triangle to polyamory with one reluctant vertex
From: silver777-ga on 01 Oct 2004 06:33 PDT |
Hi Reality, No thanks, I don't want your money as offered. I'm now more confused than your stars in your sequel. Perhaps I should have left Probo's comment as the answer. It's true in summary, to the point and succint. Phil |
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Re: Moving a love triangle to polyamory with one reluctant vertex
From: curious_-ga on 15 Oct 2004 23:36 PDT |
I suggest that Devoted cherish the memories with Girl, and move on. The key to influencing the behavior of someone who is "one the fence" about a relationship decision is to create scarcity. In other words, if Devoted met and talked about someone else, and frequently had plans with someone else, Girl would likely realize that she was in danger of being left with nothing and would abandon New and try to mend things with Devoted. Just demote Girl in your mind to friend status for a while and things will improve drastically within 6 months. |
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Re: Moving a love triangle to polyamory with one reluctant vertex
From: cougar94112-ga on 26 Oct 2004 09:29 PDT |
I think that you're asking these questions in the wrong forum. Silver777 has never even heard of polyamory, and so is not able to provide a perspective that is related to any experience about polyamory. If you ask here, you will get only answers that reflect the mainstream approach to relationships. Try the following: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spiritual_polyamory/ http://www.polyamory.org/ http://www.worldpolyamoryassociation.com/ I can personally vouch for some of the relationship coaches that you can link to at the World Polyamory Association site. (Dawn and Akien) A couple of comments. Devoted's experience in a foursome is more of a sexual interlude than an experience of polyamory. However, his willingness to accept your choice--not to choose between two loves--is truly polyamorous, and if you think about it, very sweet, considering that he has not really had the experience of polyamory that would enable him to make such a decision with full awareness. In addition, your desire not to make a choice is fully acceptable in mainstream thinking, if you decide to make it so. Consider the movie "Casablanca," which is considered one of the most romantic movies in history. In this movie, the Ingrid Bergman character (Ilsa) refuses to choose between the two men that she loves. At the end, the Humphrey Bogart character (Rick) chooses to send her off with Laszlo because of his love for her. In putting his love for her above his own desires, he was expressing a polyamorous emotion known as "compersion," which is defined as "your joy is my joy." My advice to you: do not allow your programming to override the choices of your heart. If you truly choose to love both, you are most integrated as a human being if you hold to your choice. You are not responsible if one goes away; however, you can potentially negotiate a win-win-win solution if you contact and use the appropriate professionals who have experience facilitating situations like this. |
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Re: Moving a love triangle to polyamory with one reluctant vertex
From: golem22-ga on 12 Nov 2004 17:42 PST |
Hopefully devoted realises that once a cheater allways a cheater, there will allways be some "new" come along and catch the cheaters glad eye. Hopefully mr devoted will pack his bags and leave. |
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