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Subject: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
Category: Arts and Entertainment
Asked by: cryptica-ga
List Price: $35.00
Posted: 27 Sep 2004 18:18 PDT
Expires: 27 Oct 2004 18:18 PDT
Question ID: 407177
I suspect this is going to be a lost cause . . .but one can dream.   Or not.  
I need :

"DON'T TELL ME WHAT YOU DREAMED LAST NIGHT  (FOR I'VE BEEN READING FREUD) "

Gotta find the sheet music before Friday.  Actually, all I need is a good
digital image of it -- I don't care if I have the item itself.

I've been searching for past hour and assorted sites say it's a 1925
or 1926 song by Franklin P. Adams (of Algonquin Round Table fame) and
Brian Hooker (of "Cyrano" translation fame).

I looked in ASCAP'S data base and Brian Hooker's works are there, but
not this title.   They have nothing for Adams.   I've yet to find any
website that has any other info than what I've repeated here.

I haven't checked vintage sheet music websites or library collections.
I will be happy if you can find a large image --  and the source for it.
It can be the cover of the sheet music with title --  or a few bars of
notation & lyric.   Or -- if it's for sale or a collector has it, but
hasn't posted any
images -- please confirm that the website and/or person isn't a dead
end link.

Hope someone can dig this up for me.
We can also take bets -- will  . . .Pinkfreud . . . be the winner ?
Answer  
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
Answered By: markj-ga on 29 Sep 2004 13:51 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
cryptica --

Here is your "official" answer, and I don't think you will need my
makeshift "notation" anymore.

Thanks to tech-savvy and helpful researcher kriswrite-ga, below are
links to scans of pages 245 and 246 of "Read 'em and Weep: The Songs
You Forgot to Remember," by Sigmund Spaeth (Doubleday, Page & Company,
Garden City, NY, 1926).

These are the pages in which Spaeth briefly introduces the song "Don't
Tell Me What You Dreamed Last Night (For I've Been Reading Freud)," by
Franklin Pierce Adams and Brian Hooker.  He then recites the lyrics to
the verses and the refrain of the song and notates the simple melody
of the refrain.

Here is a link to Page 245 of the book:
http://members.aol.com/damefashion/Freud.JPG

And here is Page 246:
http://members.aol.com/damefashion/FreudA.JPG


You should be able to resize, crop and otherwise manipulate these
pages for your present purposes with any good image editor.


Additional Information:

Sigmund Spaeth (1885-1965) was a musicologist and prolific author
about American popular music.  Among other claims to fame, he
reputedly was the first to memorialize the term "Barbershop Quartet"
in books on pop music:

Barbershop Quartets on Early 78s
http://www.garlic.com/~tgracyk/barbershop.html


Spaeth had an encyclopedic knowledge of the musical details of
thousands of obscure songs and an uncanny knack for detecting
similarities (often quite intentional) in the melodies and harmonies
of pop songs with other pop songs and with classical works.  He even
had a radio show called the "Tune Detective" in the 30s and 40s (and,
I think, into the 50s) that exploited that skill:

Harlan J. Berk, Ltd: Sigmund Spaeth
http://www.harlanjberk.com/autographs/details.asp?inventorynumber=10113&linenum=22&subject=Music+(general)


In 1948 Spaeth wrote a 700+ page book called "A History of Popular
Music in America" that puts that skill to amazing use in the course of
a chronological treatment of 19th and 20th century pop and folk music.
 While the book is obviously dated and Spaeth's writing style can get
a little tedious, it is great fun to dip into.


Search Strategy:

After discovering the Spaeth reference, I dug deep for my copy and
used it for the information that I provided in my comments, which was
eventually superseded by the scanned images linked above.

The reason you may have overlooked the Spaeth reference in your
initial search is that the Web page where it occurs (cited by
whyisitso-ga) includes only part of the song's title, so it comes up
as a high-ranked "hit" only if you use an abbreviated form of the
title as the search term:

"dont tell me what you dreamed"
://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=+%22don%
27t+tell+me+what+you+dreamed%22


Based on our lengthy "conversation," I am confident that you will find
the links above to be useful, and good luck on your current project. 
If anything is unclear, please ask for clarification before rating the
answer.


markj-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by cryptica-ga on 29 Sep 2004 15:51 PDT
Unbelievable.  I've been in a room with a broken computer all day and
just logged on and see all this and I'm blown away!  Everyone has gone
way beyond the call of duty.  I can't thank you enough.  Never fear,
if I do get to use this number, I'll find a way to make a Quick Time
Movie of it or something and find a way to post it -- so that you and
other Googler's w/o Showtime can enjoy the fruits of your labors. 
I'll report back.
This isn't a request for clarification -- I just didn't want to write
all this in the ANSWER RATING box!

Clarification of Answer by markj-ga on 29 Sep 2004 16:18 PDT
cryptica --

Well, then, instead of putting this in the comment box, I'll put it
here so that the question can be properly put to bed.

Thanks very much for the stars, the kind words and the generous tip. 
This was a fun one, despite all my complaining.

markj-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by cryptica-ga on 09 Oct 2004 14:49 PDT
markj --Read my comment in the comment section, where more people will know to look.

Clarification of Answer by markj-ga on 10 Oct 2004 04:29 PDT
cryptica --

Thanks for the heads-up.  I will certainly be taking advantage of
pinkfreud's  kind offer of a VHS tape of the show.  I am especially
curious to hear how the tune was harmonized, especially in the couple
of places where a "right" choice wasn't obvious to me.

markj-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by cryptica-ga on 10 Oct 2004 08:04 PDT
The chord progressions WERE tricky.  At first my arranger went to the
diminished key on
AVOID. . . he said it was authentic to the period.   Maybe so, but
when you heard this
dissonant "DON'T TELL ME" under the narration, it was unpleasant to
the ear and distracted
from the narration.

So, I asked him to not go to the diminished until TELL and it sounds so much 
better.  And then on that bent note of "Sleep last  NIGHT."  I think
he's playing  an F7 -- but
I don't have the recording in front of me.  I'll ask him tomorrow the
exact progressions
and report back.    In any event, the song sounds beautiful, including
the bent notes.  I wanted
the effect of one of those old Joan Morris/William Bolcom numbers.

Clarification of Answer by markj-ga on 11 Oct 2004 08:16 PDT
cryptica --

Thanks for the interest info on the harmony.  I will look forward to
seeing a tape of the show.

markj-ga
cryptica-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $35.00
MarkJ (and esteemed kriswrite, as well as
deserving-to-be-a-google-researcher whysitso) have done a great
service to Jung and old.  I "shrink" to think how I could have gotten
this without them.

Comments  
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: whyisitso-ga on 27 Sep 2004 18:56 PDT
 
I think I've found a promising solution for you, though it depends on
how fast you can get it shipped:

According to the Folk Music Index, the song you are looking for was
included in a collection called "Read 'Em and Weep: The Songs You
Forgot to Remember" by Sigmund Spaeth.  See:
http://www.ibiblio.org/folkindex/d07.htm#Dontemew

That collection is available used from Amazon.com, currently for as low as $5.95.

See: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0306795647/

I hope this helps.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 27 Sep 2004 19:50 PDT
 
Wow, whyisitso -- how did it occur to you to look for this as a FOLK MUSIC title??

Anyway -- the Amazon dealers don't list phone numbers, which won't work for me-- no
time to trade a bunch of e-mails.  But based on your lead, I went to
abebooks.com and
addall.com  and found some local dealers who have it.

But I'd prefer it if someone can find an image or the sheet music itself
because the description of the book is that it prints the lyrics and
melody line only.
That's the court of last resort.   Plus, with a book, then I have to
deal with clearances
with both the book publisher AND the music publisher.  (This is for TV).  

Still -- this is so helpful and if I don't get any other leads -- I'll
pursue the book.
Thanks so much.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: probonopublico-ga on 27 Sep 2004 21:07 PDT
 
For something as ancient as this, you must have a great archaelogist
and as you may know there is a some such who might rise to the
challenge.

He is GA's answer to Indigo Jones ...

The swashbuckling DIGSALOT-GA!

Of course, he's probably now in the midst of a huge feast but -
fingers crossed - he usually appears whenever there is an urgent need
such as a Cryptica in distress.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: markj-ga on 28 Sep 2004 12:00 PDT
 
cryptica --

I just came across your question.  It so happens that I have a copy of
"Read 'em and Weep," and I can confirm that the lyrics and music to
the 32-bar refrain are in the book, along with lyrics only for the two
verses.

There is no other discussion of the song, and no reproduction of any
sheet music cover (given the utter obscurity of the song, it seems
likely that sheet music for the song is very rare, if it exists at
all).

The reproduction of the song in the book carries a copyight notice
from 1925 (the book was written in 1926).  Neither Franklin Adams (the
lyricist) nor Brian Hooker (the composer of the *very* simple tune)
was an ASCAP or BMI artist, and an online search of the Copyright
Office registration records turns up nothing about either man.

I am not an expert in the arcane law spplicable to old copyrights, but
my understanding is that, in general, a work copyrighted in 1925 would
be in the public domain now unless it were renewed 28 years after its
first registration (i.e., in 1953).  Determining whether this one was
so renewed and, if so, who now owns the rights, would require an
off-line copyright search by the Copyright Office at $75 per hour.

However, the tune of the refrain is so simple and regular in form, I
could easily describe it for you in words if you have a basic
familiarity with music notation.  And I would be happy to give you a
flavor of the song by supplying you with the words to the refrain,
which constitute only about 20% of the complete lyrics.

markj-ga
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 28 Sep 2004 12:21 PDT
 
markj --

That's great news.  Yes, I do have a music background and can notate
if I have to, but I think if that page in the book looks at all
vintage-y or interesting, I'd rather scan that image and use that.
Is this something YOU are allowed to do or is it forbidden by the
powers that be.  If you can , I can provide a website link where you
could send it.
Then I would make this the official answer and then tip you for all
the extra efforts.
We have clearance people who can check the legality issues.  Does the
book list Arco or Doubleday Page as the publisher?  The 1927 original
book was Doubleday and the 1945 reprint seems to be Arco.  Is there a
publisher's ADDRESS inside the front cover of the book?
Let me know if you are allowed to do the scanning bit -- if not, I guess I'll
order the book itself from a used book dealer.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: whyisitso-ga on 28 Sep 2004 12:31 PDT
 
I'm glad the book is turning out to be somewhat promising.  I just
checked the library catalog of a local college library and they have
the book; if markj isn't allowed to provide a scan of his, I would
have no problem swinging by the library and scanning the page myself.

Just let me know.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 28 Sep 2004 12:59 PDT
 
Whysitso-- 
You're great -- let's see what happens.
In any event, YOU'll get a big thank you in the credits.
This is for a Showtime program to help promote our new
series called "HUFF."  (Hank Azaria plays a psychiatrist going
thru a mid-life re-evaluation of his life.)
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: markj-ga on 28 Sep 2004 14:04 PDT
 
cryptica --

I will email the Google Answers editors on how I should proceed and
hope that I get a quick response.

Assuming that the editors have no problem with the plan, I do have a
scanner and presumably could get the two pages to you that way.  Since
I am of an older generation than most researchers (witness my popular
music tastes and book collection), I might need some handholding on
the uploading process, but first things first.  I will get back to you
with the editors' advice.

The publisher is Doubleday, Page & Company, Garden City, NY (1926). 
No further address is given.

markj-ga

markj-ga
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 28 Sep 2004 14:43 PDT
 
OK, since my last note I spoke to our legal clearance people , who are BIG
sticklers for everything.  They said that the cut off is 1923 for
public domain. . but they will investigate further.
But they want to know, is the music in the READ 'EM book a reprint of
what the sheet music was -- or is it somebody freshly notating and
transcribing it for the book itself.  If I want to put the the pages
of music on the screen, I have to clear both the book AND the music. 
If I want to PLAY and /or SING the song itself and not see the music,
I have to clear the song!  But that's THEIR problem to do, not mine. 
Whether it's all worth it and how much it will cost -- remains to be
seen.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: markj-ga on 28 Sep 2004 15:01 PDT
 
cryptica --

There is no attribution for the notated refrain, but it is exactly the
same format, font, etc. as the many other musical excerpts in the
book, so it seems pretty clear that it is *not* an image or a
replication of a sheet music version but rather was created for this
book.

markj-ga
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 28 Sep 2004 15:56 PDT
 
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing it.  We can start a Google Chorale
with you, me, whysitso, probonopublico and any others who want to join 
and this song can be our 11:00 number!
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: markj-ga on 28 Sep 2004 16:54 PDT
 
cryptica -- 

Just in case the powers of be don't like our plan, let me try out a
coded version of the refrain.

The refrain is in 3/4 time, and each eitht-bar phrase starts with one
"pick-up" beat before the first full measure.  The key is E-flat
major.

Every note in the refrain is either a half note or a quarter note,
except that each of the four eight-bar phrases ends in a dotted
half-note tied to a quarter note in the next measure (with me so
far?).

Here are the rules:

I will designate each half note with its letter name IN UPPER CASE. 
I will each quarter note's letter-name in lower case.  
I will designate the dotted half notes with the word "dotted" and the
few quarter rests with the word "rest."

Finally I will separate each measure with a double underline(_ _).

Each phrase is very similar in rhythm, so once you get through the
first one, the others should be easy to decipher.

One last thing.  In every case but two, the note that follows an
immediately preceding note is the closest one of that note on the
scale,  Thus, if an "E" follows a "d" the tune goes down from "E" to
"d" rather than up to the more distant "d".  The two exceptions are
both in the first eight-bar phrase.  That is, the b-flat pick-up goes
to the g; and the "d" goes UP to the "C".


Got that? Here we go:

(pick-up) b-flat _ _  g G  _ _  A-FLAT d _ _ C b-flat _ _ b-flat rest
g _ _ B-FLAT a _ _ A-FLAT b-flat _ _ (dotted)G -- (tied)g rest


(pick-up) g _ _ F a-flat _ _ G f _ _ g A-FLAT _ _ B-FLAT b-flat _ _ A
c _ _ B-FLAT a _ _ (dotted)B-FLAT _ _ (tied)b-flat rest


(pick-up) b-flat _ _ E-FLAT b-flat _ _ D c _ _ c B-FLAT _ _ G f _ _
E-FLAT g _ _ B-FLAT b _ _ (dotted C _ _ (tied) c rest


(pick-up) c _ _ c C _ _ B c _ _ E-FLAT b-flat _ _ A a-flat _ _ G g _ _
G f _ _ (dotted)E-FLAT _ _ (tied) e-flat rest


That was fun for me to do, but probably utterly useless to you.  As
promised, I'll be back to you when I hear from our editors.


markj-ga
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 28 Sep 2004 18:55 PDT
 
Now that's what I call transcription!  I've been in a stuffy edit room
all day and am too bleary eyed to decipher this tonight, but I'll take
a crack at it tomorrow.  Actually, it probably will be easier for me
to "sight-read" it with syllables.

In other words...in the key of E-flat, E-flat is DO,  F is RE, G is MI
and so on.

So your first phrase looks like it's SO  MI   FA  TI  LA  SO.   I'm
too tired to deal with the meter & rhythm tonight, though.    Let's
hope the "powers" get on the case soon.   If the answer is no, I'll
still vote this as an answer.   Anybody who takes the time to do this
kind of notation deserves the bucks.  And a salute to whysitso as a
researcher by proxy.       By the way, is what you gave me the chorus
or the verse?    Are the lyrics as amusing as the title?
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: markj-ga on 29 Sep 2004 05:07 PDT
 
cryptica --

Sorry about the continuing delay. I should have an "answer" for you
one way or another by close-of-business EDT today (I have to be out
this morning).

In response to your query, the notation is for the chorus,  They are
also four verses to the song, which have exactly the same meter as the
chorus, but presumably have a different tune, which is not contained
in the Spaeth book.

The lyrics are amusing, but mainly because they are apparently
intended to be a sophisticated caricature of popular melodramatic
turn-of-the-century ballads.  That intent also explains the extremely
simple, and banal, melody.  Thus, in a sense, the song is amusing
because it is so bad (probably intentionally).

As Spaeth says in his introduction to the book:

"[T]he material [in the book] is limited almost entirely to what, in
the opinion of the editor, is either consciously or unconsciously
amusing."

 . .  .

"This book is intended for the reader quite as much as for the amateur
performer, and the music may often be considered entirely negligible."

.  .  .

"If these almost forgotten songs [in 1926] provide the amusement that
is intended, no apologies are necessary."


Your translation of my notation into do-re-mi form is accurate,
although you will run into trouble with that idea in several places
where the notes depart from the E-flat major scale, such as the
A-natural in the second four-bar phrase.


If it comes to having to use the notation as part of an official
answer, I think I can make it a little easier to translate by, for
example, using slashes to separate the measures.

markj-ga
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 29 Sep 2004 06:55 PDT
 
Mark --

It makes sense that the song is meant to be a spoof.  Franklin P.
Adams, aka "F.P.A." had a famous humor column in one of the many New
York City newspapers and was a one of the legendary wits of the
Algonquin Round Table.    One of my prized possessions is a faded
newspaper clipping of his column -- my mother , when she was young,
submitted a short humorous poem to him and he printed it.
In fact, it just occurred to me -- I have a lot of books on the
Algoqnuin folks -- maybe this song is in the index and there's some
data on it.  I'll look.   And Brian Hooker wrote the libretto to lots
of plays and musicals.  He's best known for the "Hooker translation"
of "Cyrano de Bergerac."

As for the music notation and sight singing it -- well, usually you
got to look at the notes and -- and you can see the progression. .
.depending on where the note is coming from or going to . . .if the A
flat is FA. . .the A natural might be "FI" or it might be "SE" or it
might be a squence of key change and become it's own SO LA TI DO" or
something.     The chromatic scale sings up as DO DI RE RI MI FA FI SO
LA LI TI DO.   And down is DO TI TE LA LE SO SE FA ME ME RE RA DO.
But mostly you never sing it like that because a sequence of notes
will indicate an internal key change for a few bars and then it will
trigger another one and so on  -- and you're MOSTLY going to be
singing with REGULAR syllables and not all the weird stuff.

I really have to get to work now, but I'm sure I'll be able to figure
it out if it gets to that.  Besides, if you're "forbidden" to help me
in a SANE way -- I will order a copy of the book by Fed Ex and be done
with it.  Because I want to show the page of that book.
And  Also -- after all this, it sounds like a fun book!
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: markj-ga on 29 Sep 2004 12:08 PDT
 
cryptica -- 

UPDATE:

This has been an amazing hassle (not your fault, of course), but I now
have a Web link to one of the two relevant pages of the Spaeth book. 
It so happens that it is one with the notation (the other one has a
little intro text by Spaeth and the first four lines of the verse).

I expect to have the other link by my self-imposed deadline of a
couple hours from now, but, by your leave, I will post an answer with
the key page by the end of business, as promised.

markj-ga
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: pinkfreud-ga on 29 Sep 2004 14:01 PDT
 
Sometimes the work of my Google Answers peers just astounds me. This
is one of those times. I'd like to give a big, hearty "ATTABOY" to
Mark (I would sing it, but every clockface in my house would crack if
I were to start warbling).

Answers like this make me feel proud to be part of GA.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: whyisitso-ga on 29 Sep 2004 14:23 PDT
 
I'm glad to finally see the lyrics to this song; I've been wondering
about it for two days straight now.  It makes me wish that I had
Showtime, so I could (maybe) hear it in action.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 29 Sep 2004 15:58 PDT
 
I agree with you Pink -- this is one of those special ones . . .like
the one you did for me on TV Marriages and everybody chipped in to help.
I wish there were apartments available, so I could live in Google-land.
Lots of nice neighbors there!

Two mysteries remain:

1.  Markj -- did the "powers" ever answer you? (in case we ever need
to do something like this again)

2.  And whysitso -- what made you think to search the FOLK INDEX?  You
started it all . . . who would think it was a folk song??
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: markj-ga on 30 Sep 2004 08:23 PDT
 
cryptica --

Yes, the editors did bless "the plan," and maybe by the next time I
will be in a position to handle the hosting myself instead of imposing
on generous colleagues like kriswrite-ga and pinkfreud-ga (both of
whom offered to do it for me).  In this case, I think kriswrite-ga
deserves the title of "Hostess With The Mostess On The Ball" ("Call Me
Madam," by Irving Berlin (1953).

On your other question, I will let whyisitso-ga speak for him/herself,
but I will be bet that he/she found it with a search like the one I
suggested in my answer clarification; that is, if you search using the
key phrase "don't tell me what you dreamed," the Folk Music Index site
pops right up near the top of the "hit list."

markj-ga
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 30 Sep 2004 16:51 PDT
 
I thought I DID search by partial title, but I probably spent more time
searching by "But I've Been Reading Freud," thinking that would narrow
the universe.  Anyway, today's report is they're still trying to track
down ownership.  Lincoln Center Library for the Performing Arts is
often very good about this, but no leads there.  Some of Brian
Hooker's music is Schirmer, some is EMI.  The "due diligence" goes on.
 I've got an arranger who is going to lay down a piano track for me
tomorrow.  Because the music in the book doesn't include chords, we're
going to have to guess what was intended -- some of those "bent" notes
could lead one in different directions.  But basically, *I* hear it as
kind of a square parlor song.  Don't you?  Why else would it be a
waltz?  My arranger was fooling around and adding all kinds of jazz
chords to it but that doesn't feel right at all.  I think it's too old
fashioned for that.  But I'm open to everyone's suggestions.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: markj-ga on 30 Sep 2004 19:48 PDT
 
cryptica --

I absolutely agree that this is a "square parlor song" and adding
modern (jazz) harmonies would be inappropriate.  In my humble opinion,
the melody could credibly be harmonized as follows, keyed to the
lyrics:

(Eflat) "Don't tell me"
(Bflat7) "what you dreamed last"
(Eflat) "night, I will not"
(Bflat7) "hear you"
(Eflat) "speak, For"
(Bflat7)"it might"
(Eflat)"bring"
(Bflat7)"the"
(Eflat) "blush" 
(Bflat7)"of"
(Eflat)"shame un-"
(F7)"-to my"
(Bflat)"vir-"
(F7)"-gin"
(Bflat)cheek

(Bflat7)"If"
(Eflat)"I were"
(Bflat7)"you, that 
(Eflat+6)"sub-"
(Eflat)"-ject is a hing that"
(Eflat7)I'd a-"
(Aflat)"-void_ Don't tell me"
(Fdim)"what you"
(Eflat)"dream'd last"
(F7)"night" 
(Bflat7)"For"
(Eflat) "I've been read-"
(Bflat7)"-ing"
(Eflat)"Freud"

There are lots of ways to vary the harmony, but something like the
above seems to me to be the basic progression.


As for the Folk Index issue, the key point (which I have not been too
clear about), is that the Folk Index listing contains only the first
seven of the eight words of the song title. So a search for the phrase
"don't tell me what you dreamed last night" does not point you to it. 
You have to leave off the "night" in order to find it.

markj-ga
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: whyisitso-ga on 30 Sep 2004 20:27 PDT
 
I wish I could cloak myself in mystery, but markj-ga is right.  I
didn't start out looking for folk music, I was merely searching for
smaller chunks of the title.  When I searched just now for "don't tell
me what you dreamed," the folk result was first.  I think it may have
been bumped up a few notches since my original search, because I don't
remember it being the first result.

Anyway, I look forward to the Quicktime version. :-)
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 01 Oct 2004 16:01 PDT
 
Markj -- I can see by your chord choices that you had the same problem
we're having. . . like the E flat 6th . . . . I'm not near a piano at
the moment, so I can't remember where we're finding it goes astray --
maybe at "for it might BRING . . ."  I'll have check later.

If I can figure out how to do it, I'll send you & whysitso one of MY fave tunes:
"You'll Have to Put a Nightie on Aprhodite (To Keep All the Married Men Home."
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 09 Oct 2004 15:24 PDT
 
OK, Everyone  -  and I have to also post this as a comment for those
who helped out on my "It's not all Greek to me" question as well - -

You have GOT to hear what we did with the song.  You can catch it
starting Next Wednesday on Showtime.

An all-star team helped make this happen,  which is why I have put
markj, kriswrite,whyisitso, jackburton & unautzorized in the CREDITS
under "Special Thanks."
So if for no other reason than THAT,you neeed to watch.

"HUFF AROUND THE EDGES"
Wed. Oct. 13  @  1pm and 10:40 pm , Eastern & Pacific
Friday, Oct. 15 @ 7:35 am and 8:45 pm    "            "
Sunday, Oct. 17  @ 9:45 pm                      "            "
plus more plays throughout October & November.
 
You'll hear  the tune 2 ways:
1.  About a minute or so into the show:  Simple piano underscore plays
for a while and
ends with soprano singing the last line of the chorus: "Don't Tell Me
What You Dreamed Last Night. . .For I've been reading Freud."   As you
hear this, the title of program comes up.

2.  Under the credits:  Soprano sings the entire chorus this time --
but we've mixed it to sound like you're listening to a scratchy old
record.    I'm laughing as I type this -- it's so much fun.  A combo
of goofy and enchanting.

I won't be allowed to put a link to a Quick-Time movie -- too public. 
And my e-mail provider can't handle files that big (it's many, many
megabytes -- my editor said it's 26? Something like that).

I'd be happy to mail you tapes, but since Google won't let us share
private info, I don't know we can do this.  So, all I can think of is.
. . maybe one of your fellow researchers like Ms. P.Freud, who I know
subscribes to Showtime, would make you a copy -- (but that won't help
whyisitso) . . .or. . . I can make copies and send them to Google
headquarters and ask them to forward to you. . . but that won't help
whyisitso either, as I can't see them voluntarily sending to
"unofficial" researchers.

If you have any ideas, let me know.  In the meantime, Wed. 10/13 is
your first oppty. to hear it and see your name.   Thanks so much!
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: pinkfreud-ga on 09 Oct 2004 16:52 PDT
 
I have been very eager to see "Huff" for several reasons, so I will
certainly tape it. If any Researcher would like a VHS tape (NTSC),
I'll be glad to oblige. Just contact me at the Researchers' forum.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 09 Oct 2004 19:55 PDT
 
That's great, pink, thanks so much.   FYI, just so there's no
confusion, "HUFF" the series premieres on Sunday, November 7th at 10
pm.   It stars Hank Azaria, Paget Brewster, Blythe Danner and Oliver
Platt.   "HUFF AROUND THE EDGES" is a show introducing viewers to the
characters, interviews with the cast and a fun look at our country's
obsession with therapy.   (Thus, the song!)
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 11 Oct 2004 12:45 PDT
 
Update -- sorry, the Wednesday air dates have been changed.
Schedule is moving around.  I'll post back when the first play
will be as soon as I know it.  BUt it's not this Wednesday now.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 12 Oct 2004 12:11 PDT
 
Pink -- 
 Here are the first two upcoming oppty's to make a tape:
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 15th at 8:45 pm.  (Eastern & Pacific)
SUNDAY, OCTOBER 17th at 9:45 pmdates
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: whyisitso-ga on 18 Oct 2004 13:14 PDT
 
I posted a comment earlier asking if there is an allowable way for
someone to get ahold of me and possibly send me a copy, but that
comment was removed for violating the TOS.  Is it really a violation
to ask if it is possible?

Blah.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 18 Oct 2004 19:14 PDT
 
whyisitso - -and my REPLY to your comment was also removed as a
violation of policy.
I'd said I'd be happy to send you a copy if there was a way to get your address
without your having to post it publicly.  And I made a suggestion as
to how to do it,
but even making this suggestion appears to be against the rules.  I don't get it.
Maybe one of the researchers has a suggestion.   I credited Google in the credits
of the show -- this ought to be something they're glad to see publicized.
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: pinkfreud-ga on 20 Oct 2004 13:38 PDT
 
Cryptica,

I just loved "Huff Around the Edges"!!! The plummy-voiced lady singing
the Freud tune was perfect. The phrenology head was a hoot. I'd give
you five stars if I could.

I hope "Huff" will be Hank Azaria's big breakthrough. It's great to
see him in such a meaty role. I was surprised that "Cradle Will Rock"
didn't turn him into a household word, but I guess it wasn't the kind
of movie that does that.

~Pink
Subject: Re: SINGIN' A 1926 FREUD TUNE
From: cryptica-ga on 20 Oct 2004 19:15 PDT
 
Pink --  Thank you so much -- I'm so glad you liked it!  Coming from
you, that is high praise.  From your modem to God's ears that people
will go for the series.  Hank is really good in it -- but he has to
play the straight man around which everything happens.  So, it's a
very diffcult role.  All the actors are wonderful.  Blythe Danner
steals eveyr scene she's in.  But Oliver Platt is the revelation. 
He's sensational.  Turns out he and Hank are old old friends. Went to
Tufts together.

I do hope whyisitso finds somebody with Showtime to get him a copy of
my show . . . it's going to be airing many, many times betweeen now
and November 28th --I feel bad that this can't be done thru GA.

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