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Calculating induced emf at a given distance...
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: rexregum-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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02 Oct 2004 05:03 PDT
Expires: 01 Nov 2004 04:03 PST Question ID: 409268 |
If there is a given change in current dI/dt in a wire and I want to know what emf will be induced in another wire at a distance x , how can I estimate it if there is only air between the wires? At the moment the nearest thing I can find is the equation e = -M dI/dt, which I understand relates induced EMF e on one coil to the change in current on another coil in a transformer, where M is the 'mutual inductance'. This isn't much good to me, as I have no way of working out the mutual inductance the sort of system I described above. I also have an idea that there's an inverse square relationship between distance and induced emf involved, as well. I would be particularly interested in any way I can work this out without using vector calculus, as I'm not familiar with it yet. If there's no alternative, could someone please explain what the notation means, as well? |
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Re: Calculating induced emf at a given distance...
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 04 Oct 2004 03:58 PDT Rated: |
Formula for mutual inductance is simple: it is given here http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/302l/lectures/node92.html or here http://homework.phys.utk.edu/courses/summer2002/phys222/exam2.html Search Term is: Lenz Law tricky part: You must pay attention to the geometry - which means e.g. this Two coils (of given crossection, distance, angle ..) are different from two parallel (infinite) wires (which do not interact by square, but by linear inverse). Example of that, effect of geometry, is discussed e.g. here: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00152.htm This page shows mutual inductance of two coils, which has a common path for magnetic flux: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/indmut.html This page defines mutual inductance in general: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/302l/lectures/node84.html Here is an (aproximate) formula for two loops in air: http://www.sigcon.com/lib/htm/mloop.htm Interaction between two wires is described here: http://iml.umkc.edu/physics/wrobel/PHY250/lecture6.pdf The general formula -for any shapes - is derived by calculus by summing the contributions from pieces of the two objects. Please, do review above links, and feel free to ask for clarification if needed. H | |
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Thank you for the advice on contour and vector integrals; the reason I didn't want to deal with them is that I'm only 17 and I'm currently quite busy learning lots of other maths [exam in < 1 month]. In other words, I've haven't used them before and I don't really have time to learn just now. But thank you nonetheless. I've checked the units, and I get realistic answers when I convert from SI to inches, so I'm happy with that, too. Goodbye, and thank you for all your help. |
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Re: Calculating induced emf at a given distance...
From: guzzi-ga on 02 Oct 2004 15:40 PDT |
Can?t remember off the top of my head but can explain the inverse square law if that helps a bit. If you have 3D point radiator, the field will drop off as an inverse square with distance purely by geometry. Double the radius of a sphere and the area will be four times the original. Same applies to any 3D shape, such as a conic section or even a square projection. So the formula, where a = area and d = distance is :- a2 = ((d1/d2)squared) x a1 Rearrange as required of course. Interesting point which may occur to you -- how then do dish aerials seem to bypass the square law? They don?t, but in essence the geometry puts the point radiator point way behind it. That?s the point from which to calculate inverse square from. Pictures for ?inverse square law? :- http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/isq.html http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/light/intensity.html If no one answers and I find the time........ Best |
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Re: Calculating induced emf at a given distance...
From: rexregum-ga on 03 Oct 2004 02:45 PDT |
Thanks for the advice; it'll certainly help. Which other researchers are likely to be able to answer this question? |
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