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Subject:
computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
Category: Computers Asked by: dwald-ga List Price: $4.00 |
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02 Oct 2004 14:40 PDT
Expires: 16 Oct 2004 04:51 PDT Question ID: 409438 |
We live in an area where many planes pass overhead, although we are about 20 miles from the airport. Our home computer freezes up momentarily whenever a plane passes over. You will be typing and nothing happens for 5-10 seconds before you can continue. This seems to happen especially on rainy or foggy days. It is incredibly annoying. It happens whether or not we are connected to the internet. We have had the computer checked out and it is completely fine. We have complained to the airport and received acknowledgement of the problem but no answers. People have suggested putting the CPU on a pad in case it is due to vibration, but that makes no difference. I want to know if this is a common problem and what we can do about it. Thanks. |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: guzzi-ga on 02 Oct 2004 16:29 PDT |
Weird! Are you using cordless mouse or keyboard? Wi-Fi etc? |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: dwald-ga on 02 Oct 2004 18:04 PDT |
regular keyboard and mouse |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: oni13059-ga on 02 Oct 2004 19:02 PDT |
Are the covers on your system? Is your system plugged into a UPS? Might help? If nothing else try wearing a piece of tin foil on your head. It won't help but the rest of the household will get a chuckle! Good luck |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: bazza33-ga on 03 Oct 2004 00:50 PDT |
sounds like it could have something to do with static electricity |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: guzzi-ga on 03 Oct 2004 15:54 PDT |
This is extraordinarily peculiar. Discounting alien intervention etc, and you say none of your attached devices are radio linked, when you are off-line do you disconnect the lead from the socket? The only thing which could possibly get into your machine is RF. Where and why though. It might be radar or comms (either to or from the plane), of automatic ID signature from the plane (can?t remember what it?s called). Strange that it is so consistent and repeatable. It?s not likely to be the frequency itself which is interfering with your machine -- it just shouldn?t get in. More likely it?s one of your leads resonating, perhaps generating a DC offset due to non-linearity or incidental rectification. More likely it?s hanging up the keyboard and not your computer. Try a different one. You may be familiar with the principle of ferrite suppression. Often there?s lump on a peripheral lead -- this is a ferrite sleeve. What should happen is that ferrite absorbs (potentially) interference radiation and to a lesser extent prevent incidental radiation from entering. Unfortunately, the principal of absorption is not always recognised by designers and they incorporate inappropriate ferrites. Instead of absorbing energy, these ferrites largely reflect it. It stops the radiation going anywhere OK but you can end up with an extraneous signal blatting back and forth along a wire, building up in amplitude until something gives. This *is* an unlikely scenario but so is your problem! I wonder if there is a local high power airport transmitter repeater which you don?t know about. What you can try, aside from the keyboard, is scrunch up your leads to less like aerials, swap the mouse, or even experiment with clip-on ferrite suppressers. Unplug anything not essential, try running only on UPS (no mains lead). Essentially just home down on where the junk is coming in. If it is the keyboard screwing up, it?s not necessarily the keyboard which is to blame, just that it is the bit that gets ?hit?. As you may know, a keyboard ain?t just a dumb bunch of switches but has it?s own processor. Let me (us) know how you get on. I?m intrigued. Best |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: dwald-ga on 04 Oct 2004 05:49 PDT |
Thanks very much for your interest & helpful suggestions! I will try switching keyboard, mouse, etc. What you said about "local airport" might be something---there IS a small airport a few miles away, which I forgot about (the major aiport is 20+ miles). Will try to look into that. Your expertise appreciated. If there are any changes, I'll update here. |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: guzzi-ga on 04 Oct 2004 15:37 PDT |
Just occurred -- is it when a plane is on approach or take off path? Foggy and damp makes me wonder about bad weather guidance systems. Looking forward to answer :-) |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: castlec-ga on 04 Oct 2004 17:47 PDT |
What about your neighbors? Do you know if there is another person in the neighborhood who has the same problem? |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: athena4-ga on 05 Oct 2004 15:39 PDT |
dwald-ga: guzzi-ga is on the right track, I believe. Here are some reasonable guesses: It is very peculiar and sometimes RF problems ARE like that. First time I read the question, several other questions came to mind. One of the possibilities is that you have a VOR/DME station nearby and when the airplanes transmit pulses to the DME (distance measuring equipment), the DME replies (using fairly high power, compared to airplane power output from it's interragator, talking to the DME station (and the airplane is probably further away also)). So if the station is close to you, it may cause interference - especially if your computer clock frequency is in the 1.0 to 1.2GHz range. [There are also some L-Band primary surveillance radars that operate with high power, approximately in the 1.2-1.3GHz band, but since they should be operatign all the time, airplane going overhead shouldn't matter (the reflected power from each airplane is very small). There are other airplane based emitters, but those are generally outside the frequency range and lower power. Generally I'll suspect ground stations because they operate in higher power than airplane emitters and are likely closer to you]. Make sure the computer case is closed properly (all screws in place) and the power/mouse/keyboard cables are as short as possible. If your computer is running at the clock frequency of 1-1.2GHz, try to slow down the computer clock to 900MHz or speed it to over 1.2GHz (search for "overclocking CPU" on google, your BIOS may support it) and see if the problem persists. You can also experiment wrapping the cables (most of the length) in aluminum foil and grounding the foil to the computer case. If none of that works, consider telling us your location (or airports and distance(s) from them & direction), CPU clock frequency, whether you are using extension cables (power, mouse, keyboard, USB, ...), whether the airplane is directly overhead or at approximately the same azimuth & altitude ("location") relative to your house and how you came up with the correlation. -- I am not an official GA researcher. |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: icehouse-ga on 06 Oct 2004 09:21 PDT |
Can't help with why it does, but I can comment on it not being common. We are just next to the flight path for a local RAF/USAF base and get allsorts of Miltary aircraft, F15,C5s,C47,C130 etc etc flying past. (I can usually read their registration numbers so they are very low). We have several PCs in the house, using WiFI, wireless mice etc and I'm also very prone to leaving the cases off etc. We've had no problems at all. Does the who'll computer freeze or just the keyboard and/or mouse i.e does the PC clock tick over/video/music etc carry on. |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: guzzi-ga on 06 Oct 2004 16:44 PDT |
Ta athena4 for filling in authoritative transponder details -- and I was going to suggest the clock details but icehouse thinks faster than me :-) But as he (she?) said, when it freezes, does your clock lose 20 seconds too. I?m inclined to suspect that the lock-up isn?t at the processor native frequency because one might expect blue screen or one of Microsoft?s inscrutable error messages, but maybe..... |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: masteregoz-ga on 06 Oct 2004 19:13 PDT |
1st - if you think that is static/electric noise that interfere with your computer try rap it in kitchen silver paper and connect it to the house ground or some big metal part like the pipes in your house... 2nd - maybe you should use an electical stabilizer insted of ups if the problem is caused by the electricity company. try this and goodluck |
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Re: computer freezing momentarily when planes pass over
From: wingedspur-ga on 07 Oct 2004 09:28 PDT |
I am both a pilot and a computer technician. I believe the thread is on the right track regarding the VOR/DME station nearby and the planes own instrumentation. Have you considered building a Faraday Cage around your computer? Most commonly, they are used to protect against lightning, however they do a fantastic job of protecting against all sorts of waves. I have had to use a similar device with a computer residing near LAX. In that case the monitor would distort whenever a plane would pass directly overhead. Here is a couple of links to describe what this is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage http://www.boltlightningprotection.com/Elemental_Faraday_Cage.htm |
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