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Category: Arts and Entertainment Asked by: shoaib-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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08 Oct 2004 04:00 PDT
Expires: 07 Nov 2004 03:00 PST Question ID: 411956 |
Please note that in the following website address: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/2004/07/01.html Hany Farid (Note; Hany Farid is working on the issue of investigating digital images) has stated that original photos are always "regular" but the fake photos are always "irregular" so therefore I want to mention that those people or companies which create fake photos might also be able to create "REGULARITIES" in the fake photos and if that happens then it means that fake photo(s) can be "equal" to the original photo(s). Please provide "clarification" to that mentioned statement. |
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Re: Question!
From: geof-ga on 08 Oct 2004 10:38 PDT |
You are almost certainly correct that once Farid or others have developed an algorithm to deduce whether a photo is original or not, some fakers will use the same algorithm to try to evade detection; but Farid's method would nevertheless be useful in detecting those fake photos where the creators haven't bothered or been able to cover their tracks. Personally, however, I think the main problem with his methodology is that very many - perhaps the vast majority - of media images are digitally enhanced in some way. as compared with their original state; and I wonder whether his algorithm will be able to distinguish between such harmless "touching-up" and more sinister fakery. |
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Re: Question!
From: vballguy-ga on 08 Oct 2004 10:54 PDT |
Without conferring with the author, it would be difficult to guarantee that any interpretation accurately describes his findings. As a personal interpretation based on personal knowledge of digital photography: Digital images made up of little dots (pixels) of color that are displayed together with millions of other pixels to create an image. Each image contains millions of pixels. When a photo is edited, the computer has to "guess" as to how to merge or alter the edited section. To the human eye, we might not be able to notice the difference, but if we examine each individual pixel, we might be able to identify evidence of computer editing. For example, if you look at a room that has wallpaper, you probably will not be able to see the seams between sheets from a distance, but if spend time up close to the wall, you probably could figure out where the seams between the pieces are by noticing the gap or slight shift in the pattern. The computer is like is able to take a very close look at the lowest level of detail and look for those gaps or shifts in the natural pattern to determine that the picture has been altered. These would be the "Irregularities" that it can use to detect altering. As programs are written to look for these gaps, there probably will be other people working to update image editting programs that alter images to eliminate the gaps. Sort of like the professional who trains to hang wallpaper with less noticable gaps. It is a cycle where as the people looking get better at looking for these irregularities, the people editting the images get better are hiding their changes and eliminating any of the signs of edditing. Eventually the people creating fakes will do it so well, computers might not be able to detect a difference. Again this is a personal interpritation - please feel free to offer any alternative views. |
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Re: Question!
From: pinkfreud-ga on 08 Oct 2004 11:03 PDT |
In my forays into contract computer graphics, I've done quite a bit of digital fakery, with no genuine intent to deceive. I believe it is entirely likely that the day will come when photographs will no longer have any legal standing as evidence. Even photographic negatives can be meddled with. Detection of such tampering will soon, I think, become next to impossible. |
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From: xpertise-ga on 08 Oct 2004 11:16 PDT |
I am sceptical... for one: where do you draw the line for calling something "tampering"? And what is considered a natural image? Is a digital image of me in front of a house regular/natural? How about me in front of a poster of a house? How about me professionally "cut out" of the background and superimposed on the digital image of a house? The author doesn't give any details on limits/conditions. Sure I can imagine situations where a "cut out" would show in a Fourier transform because the edges were too sharp, but that means it hasn't been done very professionally. I am up to the challenge of producing a very fake image in 5 minutes that would go undetected... so, Hani? |
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