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Electronic Schematic and Parts list.
Category: Science > Technology Asked by: plcsurplus-ga List Price: $100.00 |
Posted:
12 Oct 2004 06:33 PDT
Expires: 11 Nov 2004 05:33 PST Question ID: 413628 |
I am looking for the schematic to an electronic circuit to meet the following criteria: General Description: This circuit is to be used as a go between a PLC with a relay or TTL output and a phase angle Solid State Relay that is controlled by a 4-20ma input signal. The game plan is that every time this circuit is true, the output will be a variable resistance. That is shunted across the leads of the 4-20 ma input of the SSR. Over time the resistance will increase, hence increasing the current across the 4-20ma input. This will simulate a soft start effect on the load side of the SSR. Input: switch closure or voltage signal Output : Variance in resistance |
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Re: Electronic Schematic and Parts list.
From: dave73-ga on 12 Oct 2004 11:08 PDT |
It looks like an n-channel FET (Field Effect Transistor) could serve as the shunt resistor. Connect the transistor gate to a series RC network, using a potentiometer for the resistor, for fine tuning. Also, put a large shunt resistor across the capacitor so that it unloads between activations. The FET will probably require some current limiting. |
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Re: Electronic Schematic and Parts list.
From: guzzi-ga on 12 Oct 2004 17:09 PDT |
If I understand correctly, your solid state relay incorporates current controlled phase switching, 4 to 20 ma corresponding to 0 to 180 degrees? FET resistance is a very indeterminate thing, highly non-linear and not really suitable as an open ended variable current dump. Better to make an op-amp based current sink or source ramp circuit -- what ramp time do you require? Not difficult but can?t post diagrams on ?answers? I?m afraid. Best |
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Re: Electronic Schematic and Parts list.
From: plcsurplus-ga on 13 Oct 2004 08:54 PDT |
I require a ramp time 0.75-1.0 seconds |
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Re: Electronic Schematic and Parts list.
From: dave73-ga on 13 Oct 2004 14:42 PDT |
Without going into a lot of complicated circuit building (which is difficult to draw in text only format), you might try placing a 'resistor-electrolytic capacitor' series connected branch as a shunt across the load and ground, at the input of the SSR. Initially, there will be a large current diversion into this branch, until the capacitor completely charges, at which time all the current will go to the SSR. Try 250 ohms for the resistor, and 1000 uF for the capacitor. If these values give you approximately what you are looking for, then adjust the resistor until you get what you want. Also, place a 10 Meg resistor in parallel with the capacitor only, with one end connected to ground. This is to discharge the capacitor between activation periods. Observe the polarity of the bipolar capacitor, with - side to ground. This is the 'crow bar' approach to your problem ... not elegant, but easily achieved. |
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Re: Electronic Schematic and Parts list.
From: guzzi-ga on 13 Oct 2004 17:11 PDT |
Bit busy at moment -- will get back to it ASAP. But can you confirm the current / phase relationship of the SS relay, or better still post the device number. Also, just in case, what kind of load do you intend driving? Best |
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Re: Electronic Schematic and Parts list.
From: guzzi-ga on 14 Oct 2004 18:13 PDT |
...and do you want a linear ramp? BTW dave73, ?crow-bar? is a specific term in electronics -- though perhaps you know this. Best |
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Re: Electronic Schematic and Parts list.
From: plcsurplus-ga on 15 Oct 2004 07:24 PDT |
A linear Ramp is preferred, but not required. Thanks |
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Re: Electronic Schematic and Parts list.
From: dave73-ga on 15 Oct 2004 07:30 PDT |
The term 'crow bar' was probably not the best descriptive term to use. In retrospect, I think I would have somehow employed the phrase 'shock absorber' to convey the general concept.... If somebody else has a way to to this, let's see it. |
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Re: Electronic Schematic and Parts list.
From: guzzi-ga on 15 Oct 2004 18:37 PDT |
Really need device specs to advise more, or component type so I can look it up. But do you already have the SSR? There are a few which accept 4-20ma for phase control but also voltage control (easier) or potentiometer. Lot of them feature configurable ?soft-start?, and would this not be just what you want without further frigging? All you?d need to do is enable it with the PLC and it would run up to phase. Fill us in. Hey dave73, feel free to pull me up too :-) I have a penchant for accidental ?crow-barring? with expensive chips. Smokin! Best |
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