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Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
Category: Relationships and Society > Government Asked by: nautico-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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12 Oct 2004 07:28 PDT
Expires: 11 Nov 2004 06:28 PST Question ID: 413641 |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 13 Oct 2004 06:45 PDT Rated: |
Dear nautico: Since you are agrreable to my research as an answer I am reposting it here for you in order to officially close your question: ================================= "AID AND COMFORT. The constitution of the United States, art. 8, s. 3, declares, that adhering to the enemies of the United States, giving them aid and comfort, shall be treason. These words, as they are to be understood in the constitution, have not received a full judicial construction. They import, however, help, support, assistance, countenance, encouragement. The word aid, which occurs in the Stat. West. 1, c. 14, is explained by Lord Coke (2 just. 182) as comprehending all persons counselling, abetting, plotting, assenting, consenting, and encouraging to do the act, (and he adds, what is not applicable to the Crime to treason,) who are not present when the act is done, See, also, 1 Burn's Justice, 5, 6; 4 Bl. Com. 37, 38." FREE DICTIONARY.COM 'Legal Dictionary' http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Aid%20and%20comfort ...This, of course, is the defining statement: "They [violators] IMPORT, however {by whatever means], help, support, assistance, countenance, [and] encouragement [to the enemy]." Clearly one cannot be considered or found guilty of AIDING unless such aid is imported to the enemy. "THIS" is where the line was crossed in your example number 1 as opposed to examples 2 and 3 where the dissention was merely verbalized. I hope you find that my research exceeds your expectations. I welcome your rating and your final comments and I look forward to working with you again in the near future. Thank you for bringing your question to us. Regards; tutuzdad-ga SEARCH TERMS: LEGAL DEFINITION DEFINE "AID AND COMFORT" |
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Many thanks. I think the best way of knowing whether "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" has actually occurred is whether a US Attorney thinks he or she has enough direct evidence to bring a charge of treason. |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
From: tutuzdad-ga on 12 Oct 2004 07:57 PDT |
It's one thing to speak out against a conflict (as in examples 2 and 3). It's another thing to go fraternize and cavort with the enemy and publicly express your support for their cause and to denounce your own country on their soil in the process. Examples 2 and 3 are clearly protected under the right to free speech and they do nothing directly to benefit the cause of our adversaries. Public and private dissenters are not labeled criminals in our country. Example 1 however, is a differnet thing entirely and I suspect that if Jane Fonda had not been Jane Fonda she would have been prosecuted upon her return - and rightfully so under that statute in my opinion. It did not occur however (I suspect) because US support of the war was in a negative tailspin (especially where the younger generation who identified with Fonda were concerned) and to have prosecuted this public figure would have been martyrdom and the country might have been irreprairably divided during a time when cohesion (or at the very least, public patience) was essential. Regards; tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
From: nautico-ga on 12 Oct 2004 08:35 PDT |
Tutuzdad: I concur with your assessment as to why Fonda wasn't prosecuted, though I tend to think that even if a lesser known figure had done what she did, that person wouldn't have prosecuted either and for the other reason you cite, that "US support for the war was in a negative tailspin." Still, the question remains at what point under First Amendment protection of free speech does such speech cross over into actual "aid and comfort to the enemy" under the treason statute? Can it ever cross that threshold? Stated otherwise, can such free speech in dissent over the war ever be thought to equate to "yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre"? |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
From: omnivorous-ga on 12 Oct 2004 08:54 PDT |
Nautico -- That the question would come up about the definition of "aid and comfort" is an indication of how unprecise the term is. And how the power is in the hands of the prosecution. Walking down the street with a sign saying "What would Jesus do?" could be considered "aid and comfort" to the enemy when a decision is being made to go to war. Indeed, you may have noticed that particular slogan disappeared quickly in early 2003. During the Vietnam War, countless arrests were made for people putting flag images in peace signs -- it was "desecration of the flag." I doubt few arrests have been made of people driving around with tattered flags strapped to their cars today. In times of civil splits, the definitions become narrower. After the English Civil War, civil and religious attitudes were screened carefully. Interestingly, it's one of the stories of "God's Secretaries: The Making of the King James Bible": http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060185163/qid=1097596084/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-9567084-2762523?v=glance&s=books Similar things have happened in the U.S. during the American Civil War, the Vietnam War and even earlier. The Salem Witch trials occurred during a period when the hegemony of the Puritan Church was being threatened in Massachusetts, indicating the willingness of a prosecution to "invent" a threat. Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 12 Oct 2004 09:00 PDT |
The story of "Tokyo Rose" is an interesting one: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mmtokyorose.html |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
From: nautico-ga on 12 Oct 2004 09:12 PDT |
Pink, that was a fascinating account of the trial of Tokyo Rose. Was she among the last prosecuted for treason under the US Code? Were there any such prosecutions during the Korean conflict or later? |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
From: rai130-ga on 12 Oct 2004 09:26 PDT |
It could reasonably be argued that by conducting the war in Iraq the United States gave aid and comfort (at least indirectly) to the real enemy - the Islamic extremists. Their supporters lists and coffers will have been filled by the pictures of US 'attrocities' (their phrase)... could the present administration therefore not be indicted? Well, obviously it doesn't make that much sense but its an interesting idea. [Apologies... not really that related to the question, but its late in the day and I've been at work for 11 hours...] |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
From: omnivorous-ga on 12 Oct 2004 09:29 PDT |
Nautico -- These two articles from the National Review are interesting because of the historical review. It appears that the last two treason cases were 1945 and 1947, Cramer v. U.S. (1945) and Haupt v. U.S. (1947) -- though the two cases may be a single event. The articles came up when John Walker Lindh, an American citizen, was captured as a member of the Taliban: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-kmiec012102.shtml http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-toensing021202.shtml Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 12 Oct 2004 09:32 PDT |
Quite recently, there has been a controversy over the rights of an American citizen to give verbal aid and comfort to the enemy: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7047 |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
From: tutuzdad-ga on 12 Oct 2004 09:40 PDT |
In answer to your question about where the line is crossed, I think you will find this useful: "AID AND COMFORT. The constitution of the United States, art. 8, s. 3, declares, that adhering to the enemies of the United States, giving them aid and comfort, shall be treason. These words, as they are to be understood in the constitution, have not received a full judicial construction. They import, however, help, support, assistance, countenance, encouragement. The word aid, which occurs in the Stat. West. 1, c. 14, is explained by Lord Coke (2 just. 182) as comprehending all persons counselling, abetting, plotting, assenting, consenting, and encouraging to do the act, (and he adds, what is not applicable to the Crime to treason,) who are not present when the act is done, See, also, 1 Burn's Justice, 5, 6; 4 Bl. Com. 37, 38." FREE DICTIONARY.COM 'Legal Dictionary' http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Aid%20and%20comfort Clearly one cannot be considered or found guilty of AIDING unless such aid is imported to the enemy. "THIS" is where the line was crossed in your example number 1 as opposed to examples 2 and 3 where the dissention was merely verbalized. I hope this answers your question. regards; tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy: treason?
From: tutuzdad-ga on 12 Oct 2004 09:44 PDT |
...This, of course, is the defining statement: "They [violators] import, however {by whatever means], help, support, assistance, countenance, [and] encouragement [to the enemy]." tutuzdad-ga |
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