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Identifying the source of low frequency noise
Category: Science > Instruments and Methods Asked by: laketahoeblue-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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18 Oct 2004 00:26 PDT
Expires: 16 Nov 2004 23:26 PST Question ID: 416287 |
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Re: Identifying the source of low frequency noise
From: probonopublico-ga on 18 Oct 2004 00:48 PDT |
Yes! There are such things. Here in the UK, they used to be called RDF - Radio Detection or Direction (?) Finders. Maybe they still are. Typically you can set up two receivers some way apart; find the strongest signals and triangulate the results. Good Luck: It must be VERY annoying! |
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Re: Identifying the source of low frequency noise
From: probonopublico-ga on 18 Oct 2004 06:18 PDT |
Here you go: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Radio%20direction%20finder It appears you only need one RDF unit but you will need a special aerial. |
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Re: Identifying the source of low frequency noise
From: hfshaw-ga on 18 Oct 2004 11:58 PDT |
An RDF isn't going to help poor "Sleepless in the Sierra"; the offending signal is an acoustic wave, not an electromagnetic wave. A *Radio* Direction Finder is only going to work for electromagnetic signals! Locating the source of Low Frequency Noise (LFN) is not easy, as you have found. Some of the reasons for this are given at http://www.epa.ie/FAQs/Noise/LowFrequency/. Presumably, the signal is being transmitted primarily through the air (rather than coupling to the ground). Have you tried to look for a correlation between the wind direction and the times you hear the noise? That might give you a clue as to the general direction to look for the source (i.e., the source is likely to be upwind). If you could find a sound pressure meter that incorporated a low-pass filter, you might be able to go out on a very still (windless) night and try to survey the intensity of the sound as a function of position by driving around. The sound levels should obviously be higher as one gets nearer the source. |
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Re: Identifying the source of low frequency noise
From: ipfan-ga on 18 Oct 2004 15:05 PDT |
Interesting. I read the article at http://www.epa.ie/FAQs/Noise/LowFrequency/Answer,2093,en.html, and it occurred to me that perhaps the article assumes that one is using an omni-directional microphone. What if you used a very sensitive uni-directional microphone, e.g., a parabolic mic or a "shotgun" mic, and stood in your yard at night moving in a very slow circle listening for the noise. You could even mount the mic on a tripod to lessen the effect of vibrations or other noise introduced by your body. Presumably the reflections and diffractions would be ignored by the directional mic, since they are likely not coming directly from the sound source. (In other words, if the shotgun mic is not pointed at the source, it would not hear the noise since the reflections and diffractions are likely not "coherent," as they must be for the shotgun mic to hear them clearly). Once you have pinpointed the direction, walk in a straight line toward the sound (perhaps using a GPS to record exact coordinates and waypoints) until you find the source. |
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Re: Identifying the source of low frequency noise
From: guzzi-ga on 18 Oct 2004 17:52 PDT |
My commiseration. The Sierra Nevada -- that?ll be Spain then. Unfortunately, unidirectional microphones (such as shotgun) are poorly directional at low frequency unless exceptionally long. Same applies to parabolic unless *huge*. For similar reasons, ears are poor at low frequency too. Britain detected sub-sonic shell reports across the English Channel in WW1 (or was it WW2?) with building sized microphones, the sensing element being a hot wire. Your problem is similar. Notes on dish size :- http://www.unipv.it/webcib/instru.html The problem may of course be exacerbated by your room dimensions causing resonance. Very difficult to absorb low frequencies. Since it would appear that the effect is almost subliminal, one could in theory monitor with an extended response microphone, narrow band processed (ideally) by DSP. You could then detect if you were getting closer. But that is a truly horrid prospect unless you know a very good engineer who owes you a big favour. One suggestion though. On the basis of how the sound seems to arrive, I would suspect that it is emanating from a basement -- a much loved hangout for the socially naive ;-) Best |
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Re: Identifying the source of low frequency noise
From: anechoic-ga on 19 Oct 2004 16:46 PDT |
As noted above, trying to find the source of a low-frequency sound with a single measurement position is extremely difficult due to the long wavelengths involved. At a minimum, you'll need some kind of triangulation, and even that is not easy. As an example, consultants have been trying to find the source of the Kokomo Hum for years not (http://tinyurl.com/3qtg8), and have only recently made headway. What you could try doing is renting a real-time analyzer (or hiring a consultant) to identify the frequency of the tone. Once you know the frequency involved, you may be able to correlate it with machinery or activities at nearby facilities. |
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Re: Identifying the source of low frequency noise
From: guzzi-ga on 19 Oct 2004 19:13 PDT |
Occurred to me last night, are you absolutely sure it is music? But'anechoic-ga' beat me to it :-) Might it be machinery which gives out low frequency noise such as a generator, especially if ?hunting? rhythmically? Best |
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Re: Identifying the source of low frequency noise
From: guzzi-ga on 20 Oct 2004 19:02 PDT |
That does indeed have the signature of music. Tiny chance it could be emanating from underground pipes with a duff pumping system. However, have you tried the ?ear to the ground?? Best on a hard flat surface, preferably not in the middle of the highway. If you can hear the noise through the ground you might be able to contact mike it. Cheap piezo disks do quite a good job in this sort of application if suitably amplified. Need a low pass or preferably band pass filter too. Then you might be able to display on a battery powered oscilloscope (readily hired). That being so, use two mikes separated by a good few meters, display on two traces and look for phase difference. Swing one of the mikes in an arc to point of max phase difference and follow up in that direction -- not 180 degrees in the wrong direction of course. Police won?t be inclined to hear it ;-) Dunno what the situation is in the States, but local authorities may have usable legislation on ?public nuisance?. Best |
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Re: Identifying the source of low frequency noise
From: dave3141-ga on 04 Jan 2005 13:02 PST |
this is possibly a beat phenomenon between two different higher frequencies that are close to eachother see for example I. Rushforth, A. Moorhouse, P. Styles, ?A Case Study of Low Frequency Noise Assessed Using DIN 45680 Criteria?, Journal of Low Frequency Noise, Vibration and Active Control 21, 4 (2002) pp. 181-198. if you want to try to duplicate these effects from your computer use a tone generator, e.g., http://www.esser.u-net.com/ttg.htm a simpler tone generator for you to use is http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/zmusic/ Try 200-Hz and 230-Hz looping at the same time notice that both high frequencies combine to give you a beat if this is a beat problem, most likely something in your house is providing one of the frequencies ... if you can do so safely, turn off all rotary devices in your home, the next time you hear this effect (including: fridge, furnace, AC, washing machine, dryer, anything that generates noise via rotation) |
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Re: Identifying the source of low frequency noise
From: reby1-ga on 17 Feb 2005 11:14 PST |
Hi I am suffering from a similar problem. It is for sure rap music, coming from a basement. I live in a rowhouse directly next door. Ear plugs do not stop the noise, It feels like I am "hearing it" through my skin. Is there a way to insulate myself from this annoyance? |
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