I need to get a copy of my expired drivers license from Michigan, for
sending in as primary identification to get my passport.
They keep requesting a copy or "primary" ID, and altho i have provided
all 7 alternative forms of identification.. As well as an additional 4
(marriage/divorce records etc) when they requested it after. Still, it
seems i need a photo i.d.
I did not apply for a drivers license after i moved.
How would i go about requesting a copy of the expired drivers license
from the DMV? Is it possible? Do i need to hire a PI to do it?
I just need a copy of photo i.d to get the passport, or so they say.
Or is there any other way i can go about this?
My application has been "under review" for almost 2 months, and i
really want to get my passport.
Fast + Good answer = great tip.
Regards. |
Clarification of Question by
gerth-ga
on
19 Oct 2004 10:00 PDT
Also, I have contacted the DMV and they have told me that they cannot
send me a copy of my drivers license, only my driving record, but i
need some form of photo i.d as primary i.d.
Regards.
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
19 Oct 2004 10:22 PDT
Hello gerth-ga,
Just to check...many jurisdictions offer a non-license photo ID card
through the DMV to those who don't have a license, but need -- as you
do -- a primary photo ID card. Have you looked into this as a
possibility?
Also, there might be a way to contact an actual human being at the
Passport office who could provide assistance for your particular
situation, and perhaps waive the drivers license requirement. Again,
have you checked this out as an option?
It may not be possible to get a copy of an expired license, but it may
be possible to obtain the passport through these other routes I'm
suggesting.
Let me know if you'd like more information on these as an answer to
your question (and also let us know what city/state you currently live
in).
Thanks.
pafalafa-ga
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Clarification of Question by
gerth-ga
on
19 Oct 2004 12:33 PDT
i've tried to get the phone # from the PP guy so i could talk to them
directly, but he won't/can't give me the #, and i can't get myself any
form of photo id now cause everything i have as identification is at
the PP office!
I applied using a site, that offered 24 hour express service.
I have the # for the PP place in ohio, but that does me no good cause
they don't know what the office in VA wants from me.
Im currently in TN.
Regards.
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
19 Oct 2004 15:22 PDT
Hello again.
Sounds like you have a bit of a sticky situation there.
I'm not sure who you're dealing with regarding your passport, but the
official Passport Office rules specifically provide a procedure for
identifying yourself in the absence of a driver's license. You have
to do it in person at a local passport office:
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Present Proof of Identity
You may prove your identity with any one of these, if you are recognizable:
Previous U.S. passport (mutilated, altered, or damaged passports are
not acceptable as proof of identity.)
Naturalization Certificate
Certificate of Citizenship
Current, valid
Driver's license
Government ID: city, state or federal
Military ID: military and dependents
NOTE: Your Social Security Card does NOT prove your identity.
If none of these are available, you will need:
Some signature documents, not acceptable alone as ID
(ex: a combination of documents, such as your Social Security card,
credit card, bank card, library card, etc.)
AND
A person who can vouch for you. He/she must
Have known you for at least 2 years,
Be a U.S. citizen or permanent resident,
Have valid ID, and
Fill out a Form DS-71 in the presence of a passport agent.
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So, there are a few items that will serve in lieu of a driver's
license (such as a previous passport), and there is also a procedure
to get a passport even without these items, if someone will vouch for
you.
NOTE, too, that an expired license is NOT listed as a valid form of
identification, so I'm not sure it would do you any good.
You didn't say if you were in a particular time crunch or not, but
there are also special procedures in place for expiditing the whole
process if you're in a rush.
I'd be glad to provide additional details about these options if you
think they will suffice as an answer to your question.
But if not, please let us know what sort of additional information
you're looking for, so we can focus our research on providing the best
possible answer.
Thanks.
pafalafa-ga
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Clarification of Question by
gerth-ga
on
20 Oct 2004 06:24 PDT
i've done all the "secondary" stuff, that was sent in with the first
batch of info, they said it wasn't enough and i needed atleast 5 items
of info that was 5+ years old, that's when i got the info from social
security that had my work history from 1977 to now, the 2 divorce
records, a purchase agreement for a house, a rental agreement when i
first moved here. again they say i need a primary ID.
this is a direct quote from the so called passport specialist "The
problem here is that you do not have any primary ID, and all the
secondary ID in the world will not help your application without you
having primary ID."
there seems to be a discrepancy as to what the official passport site
says they will accept, and what they will in truth accept.
Thanks.
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
20 Oct 2004 06:40 PDT
>>they said it wasn't enough...<<
Who is the "they" that you're referring to...? Is it the US
government passport office? Or is it a commercial passport
service...?
If it's a commercial service, perhpas it's time to ditch them, and
deal directly with the US government passport office.
Can you let us know in a bit more detail what steps you've actually
taken thus far...and who you've been dealing with? Perhaps we'll be
able to bettter assist you when we know more details of your
situation.
Thanks.
pafalafa-ga
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Clarification of Question by
gerth-ga
on
20 Oct 2004 07:55 PDT
They would *supposedly* be the govt agency. The information was passed
on to me by the commercial passport service that i am using.
When i explained the situation to the commercial passport service, he
said he'd pass it on to the pp agency, but in the end, nothign has
come out of it, I have asked him for the number so i can talk to the
passport agency directly, but he has only provided a number for the
Ohio office, which is of no use to me, because the commercial passport
office in in VA, which is where i have sent all these items and which
is where he has applied.
He cant/wont provide the # for the agency in VA.
Thanks.
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Clarification of Question by
gerth-ga
on
20 Oct 2004 09:13 PDT
Also:
Information provided:
First time:
1) Benefit Security Card.
2) Baptismal Certificate.
3) Birth Cretificate "raised seal".
4) W-2 form from 2001.
5) Utility bill, Leasing agreement from 2001.
6) Vehicle Title.
7) Birth certificate of my son.
8) a form from my son stateing i am who i say i and with his photo id
and signature from the county clerk.
Second time:
1) 2 Divorce records.
2) work history from 1977 to now.
3) purchase agreement for a house.
4) rental agreement when i first moved here.
Regards.
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Clarification of Question by
gerth-ga
on
20 Oct 2004 09:20 PDT
Also, There was a medical record sent in with the second batch of
information, Forgot about that.
It was after the first batch of info was sent in that they(supposedly
the pp agency) requested documents that were 5+ years old.
Regards.
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
20 Oct 2004 18:03 PDT
gerth-ga,
I'm no expert in getting passports, but it seems to me that your best
bet at this point would be to start all over again with the government
rather than with a so-called service.
Is there anything preventing you and your son from appearing in person
at the nearest US goverment passport office. It seems as if you need
a face-to-face conversation with an actual person who can give you the
bottom line on what is or isn't acceptable in terms of documents.
Perhaps if they hear directly from you why you do not have an
"official" government photo ID such as a driver's license, they will
be able to work with your situation.
Retrieve the documents from the service you have been using, if you
can, but if not, see if you can come up with a collection of
alternatives.
Beyond this advice, I'm not sure how we at Google Answers can best
assist you. I truly don't think an expired license would do you any
good, even if you could obtain one (which I rather doubt).
I can certainly direct you to the nearest government Passport Office,
if that would be of use. I can also look to see if there are phone
numbers available where you can speak to an actual person in the
passport office.
Let me know what you think makes sense in terms of the next steps on this.
And best of luck....!
pafalafa-ga
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Request for Question Clarification by
hummer-ga
on
22 Oct 2004 06:05 PDT
Hi gerth,
Do you have a Social Security Card?
If not, do you have a Social Security Number?
Were you born in the U.S.?
Thanks, I'll look forward to your reply.
hummer
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Hi gerth,
Given that you have been working since 1977 and paying taxes, I'm
going to assume that you have a Social Security Number, which is good
news because with your Social Security Card and Birth Certificate in
hand, it won't be difficult to obtain an Ohio Identification Card
(with photo).
You have:
1) Benefit Security Card.
2) Baptismal Certificate.
3) Birth Cretificate "raised seal".
4) W-2 form from 2001.
5) Utility bill, Leasing agreement from 2001.
6) Vehicle Title.
7) Birth certificate of my son.
8) a form from my son stateing i am who i say i and with his photo id
and signature from the county clerk.
9) 2 Divorce records.
10) work history from 1977 to now.
11) purchase agreement for a house.
12) rental agreement when i first moved here.
OHIO STATE IDENTIFICATION CARD
How To Obtain an OHIO Identification Card:
1. Applicant must provide proof of name, date of birth and social
security number (if assigned one).
See Acceptable Documents
2. You may apply for an OHIO Identification Card at any local deputy
registrar's office.
The fee is $8.50. See Driver License Fees.
http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/id_card.html
ACCEPTABLE DOCUMENTS
The primary document must contain the full name and date of birth and
must be verifiable. The Social Security Number must appear on
either the primary document or the secondary document. The name on
the documents must match the person's current name unless a change of
name is established by a court order, Marriage Certificate, Marriage
License or Divorce Decree. The court order may be a primary or
secondary document. Only original documents or a photocopy bearing an
original certification by the issuing authority is acceptable.
Uncertified copies or copies of certified documents are not acceptable
unless otherwise noted. Failure to provide two (2) acceptable
documents to prove both date of birth and Social Security Number, if
ever assigned, shall result in the denial of the application.
Note: At least one primary and one secondary document must be provided
by the applicant.
http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/aid_2.html
PRIMARY DOCUMENTS (Must Include Date of Birth): NEED ONE
* Driver License - (Any State) with photograph, current or expired not
more than 6 months.
* U.S. Birth Certificate - Must be original or certified copy, have a
seal and be issued by an appropriate government agency. (U.S.
territories are included, i.e. Puerto Rico, Guam, U.S. Virgin Islands)
* State Issued Identification Card - (Any State) with photograph,
current or expired not more than six (6) months.
* Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services (BCIS) Documents -
Must be original and valid.
* Certified Copy of Court Order - Must contain full name and date of
birth. Examples include: Adoption document, name change document.
(Cannot be related to any Bureau of Motor vehicles issues).
* Birth Registration Card - Must be an original containing the
official seal of the issuing county health department and display the
registration or file number; include name, date of birth, gender, and
name of parent(s). Must also be signed by the City Registrar of Vital
Statistics.
* U.S. Valid Military Identification with photograph - Spouse and
dependent included.
* Valid Passport - U.S. or Canadian, with photograph. If from any
other country, appropriate INS documentation is also required.
* State Issued Learners Permit - (Any State) with photograph, current
or expired not more than six (6) months.
http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/pd.html
PRIMARY ID: YOU HAVE:
Birth Certificate with raised seal.
>>>>>>
SECONDARY DOCUMENTS: NEED ONE
* Official Social Security Card or Official Print Out from the Social
Security Administration - Metal card is not acceptable. SSA print out
must be stamped and signed by issuing agency. If the social security
card states ?invalid if laminated? we will not accept it if it is
laminated. If the individual presents a card that has no mention of
lamination, and it is laminated, we will accept.
* Bureau of Indian Affairs Card/Indian Treaty Card - Tribal
Identification card is not acceptable.
* Certified Copy of a Court Order - With or without the date of birth
adoption document, name change document, divorce or dissolution
decree. Any certified court order.
* Credit Card - Valid only if social security number appears on primary document.
* Employer Identification Card - With photograph.
* Foreign Birth Certificate - Must be accompanied by a translation by
an approved translator. Translation must be notarized.
* Health Insurance Card - Example: Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Veterans
Administration Universal Access Card (military health card).
* Internal Revenue Service or State Tax Form - Issued by the
Governmental Agency involved. (Form W-2 is not acceptable).
* Marriage Certificate or License - (Photocopy is not acceptable).
* Medical Treatment Records From a Doctor or Hospital
* Valid Military Dependent Identification - With photograph.
* Military Discharge Separation Papers (DD214) - With photograph.
* Gun Permit - With photograph.
* Pilot's License
* School Record or Transcript - Must be certified copy. (Includes
G.E.D. Certificate).
* Student Identification Card - With photograph issued by a school or university.
* Vehicle Title - Vehicle registration is not acceptable.
* Voter Registration Card - Please note that Ohio does not issue such a document.
* Human Services I.D. - Photo not required.
WHAT YOU NEED: Something with your Social Security Number on it.
Social Security Card?
IRS form? (other than W-2)
Health Insurance Card?
If needed, you can apply for a replacement Social Security Card.
Application for a Social Security Card:
"The Application for a Social Security Card (SS-5) can be used by
anyone who has never been issued a card, needs a replacement card or
has changed his or her name. THIS SERVICE IS FREE. But before you go
on to the form, please read through the rest of this page."
http://www.ssa.gov/online/ss-5.html
To summarize, with your Social Security Number and Birth Certificate,
you can apply for an Ohio State Identification Card.
I was happy to find this for you. If you have any questions, please
post a clarification request *before* closing/rating my answer and
I'll be happy to reply.
Thank you,
hummer
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