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Subject: Real estate law
Category: Relationships and Society > Law
Asked by: lolizbak-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 21 Oct 2004 14:01 PDT
Expires: 20 Nov 2004 13:01 PST
Question ID: 418208
Hello,
I just signed a lease for an appartment in New York with the owner. It
happened that I saw the same appartment 4 days before with a broker.
The broker came to know that I signed the lease, and is now asking me
to pay their broker fee, saying this is legal. Is there any text that
stipulates such types of law ?

Thank you a lot for your help !

Laurent

Clarification of Question by lolizbak-ga on 21 Oct 2004 14:55 PDT
Thank you for your (so !!!) prompt response.

No i didn't sign anything. But they all (broker + owner + borker agent
+ me) know the situation.
But the broker *says* (he didn't send any paper to prove it) that the
jurispudence / case law obliges me to pay.

Thank again !
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Subject: Re: Real estate law
From: ipfan-ga on 21 Oct 2004 14:31 PDT
 
Did you sign anything with the broker?
Subject: Re: Real estate law
From: lolizbak-ga on 21 Oct 2004 14:45 PDT
 
Thank you for your (so !!!) prompt response.

No i didn't sign anything. But they all (broker + owner + borker agent
+ me) know the situation.
But the broker *says* (he didn't send any paper to prove it) that the
jurispudence / case law obliges me to pay.

Thank again !
Subject: Re: Real estate law
From: ipfan-ga on 21 Oct 2004 15:26 PDT
 
Was the broker a "licensed real estate broker?"  If so, he may be
correct.  See R.B. Ventures v. Shane
(http://law.touro.edu/2ndCircuit/April97/96-7669.html).

In that case, Footnote 1 reads, "Under New York law, which both
parties agree controls in this diversity case, RBV's contract claims
are not precluded by the Statute of Frauds. Licensed real estate
brokers, such as Blitz/RBV, are exempt from the Statute's requirement
that brokerage commission contracts be in writing to be enforceable.
See N.Y. Gen. Oblig. Law § 5-701(a)(10) (McKinney 1989); Andover
Realty, Inc. v. Western Electric Co., Inc., 100 A.D.2d 157, 161, 473
N.Y.S.2d 393, 396 (1st Dep't 1984), aff'd, 64 N.Y.2d 1006, 489
N.Y.S.2d 52, 478 N.E.2d 193 (1985)."

Apparently, in NY, licensed real estate brokers found a way to get
around General Obligations Law section 5-701(a)(1), which otherwise
requires such contracts to be in writing.  If I were you, I would
check with a NY lawyer, but you might want to first "push back" and
recite NY General Obligations Law section 5-701(a)(10), which reads:
"Every agreement, promise or undertaking is void, unless it or some
note or memorandum thereof be in writing, and subscribed by the party
to be charged therewith, or by his lawful agent, if such agreement,
promise or undertaking: ... (10) Is a contract to pay compensation for
services rendered in negotiating a  . . . lease . . ..  'Negotiating'
includes procuring an introduction to a party to the transaction or
assisting in the negotiation or consummation of the transaction. This
provision shall apply to a contract implied in fact or in law...."

What this section means is that such brokerage contracts must be in
writing, but as I said, apparently there is a loophole for "licensed
real estate brokers."
Subject: Re: Real estate law
From: daytrader_7__6-ga on 22 Oct 2004 14:00 PDT
 
Do they have proof that you actually looked at the apartment with them?
Is it just their word against yours?
Subject: Re: Real estate law
From: lolizbak-ga on 22 Oct 2004 14:49 PDT
 
Hi,
Thanks for your comment.
I'm not claiming that I didn't see the apt, don't want to lie if they
go further then just intimidation ...
But I have now two side advices : my legal specialist says there is
low (low, not "no") chance they win in a court, so I should try to
negociate.
The law about contracts and according to some friends and broker
friends, as there is no signed paper, I should not be affraid, and
should do nothing.

... That's where I stand so far ...

Laurent

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