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Critiques of Dr. Paul LaViolette's theoroes
Category: Science > Astronomy Asked by: citizena-ga List Price: $75.00 |
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25 Oct 2004 17:18 PDT
Expires: 04 Nov 2004 01:14 PST Question ID: 420046 |
I am looking for a scientific response which examines and critiques the claims of Dr. Paul LaViolette. His "galactic superwave" theories have been outlined in his book "Earth Under Fire" (1997) and on his website www.etheric.com. I have not been able to find anything on the internet or in books from astrophysicists or other scientists who have taken a look at his unusual claims. Any help? | |
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Re: Critiques of Dr. Paul LaViolette's theoroes
From: iang-ga on 26 Oct 2004 03:12 PDT |
There's a bit about him on www.badastronomy.com. I doubt you'll find any in depth critiques though - life's too short! Ian G. |
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Re: Critiques of Dr. Paul LaViolette's theories
From: citizena-ga on 26 Oct 2004 11:59 PDT |
Thanks Ian... I post at Bad Astronomy myself, and the felt that the inquiry wasn't addressed there too well. Perhaps LaViolette is being largely ignored because he hasn't caused much of an uproar in the scientific community. |
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Re: Critiques of Dr. Paul LaViolette's theoroes
From: iang-ga on 26 Oct 2004 15:14 PDT |
>Perhaps LaViolette is being largely ignored because he hasn't caused much of an uproar in the scientific community. Why should he? There are any number of crackpot theories out there and it's just not possible to rebut them all. As I said, life's too short. Ian G. |
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Re: Critiques of Dr. Paul LaViolette's theoroes
From: mathtalk-ga on 26 Oct 2004 17:18 PDT |
Something of the difficulty of formulating a "scientific response" to LaViolette's theories can perhaps be gathered from the following sample text from the Web site linked above: [Galactic Core Explosions] http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Galactic.html "A study of astronomical and geological data reveals that cosmic ray electrons and electromagnetic radiation from a similar outburst of our own Galactic core (Figure 1-b), impacted our Solar System near the end of the last ice age. This cosmic ray event spanned a period of several thousand years and climaxed around 14,200 years ago. Although far less intense than the PG 0052+251 quasar outburst, it was, nevertheless, able to substantially affect the Earth's climate and trigger a solar-terrestrial conflagration the initiated the worst animal extinction episode of the Tertiary period." These are certainly remarkable claims, but where is the data that support them? The coupling of "the PG 0052+251 quasar outburst" with "a similar outburst of our own Galactic core" is mere hand waving, and the following caveat about it being "far less intense" sweeps the rug from under its own feet. If Dr. LaViolette's claims are typically put forth in this manner, then they are not susceptible to scientific response because of their incoherence. Where LaViolette does assert something empirical here, it is not astrophysics but biology. He seems to say that "the worst animal extinction episode of the Tertiary period" was initiated sometime around 14,200 years ago (plus or minus several thousand years). Perhaps he means the end of the last ice age? Even without belaboring the absence of any support evidence, he has his terminology wrong. The time indicated is part of the geologic Quaternary, not the Tertiary. Of course someone else might be inclined to overlook this gaffe as "mere semantics". As a teacher one quickly learns to spot bluffing. Weigh for yourself the remarkable missed opportunities in the brief paragraph above to support his theories with logic and evidence, and I think you'll appreciate my doubts about the value of further pursuit. regards, mathtalk-ga |
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Re: Critiques of Dr. Paul LaViolette's theoroes
From: citizena-ga on 27 Oct 2004 02:21 PDT |
Thanks to you also, Mathtalk. Now this is where I'll try to clarify where I'm coming from in asking about LaViolette. I'm not a scientitist-I'm an RN by profession, which does require certain disciplines-but not in astronomy and Earth sciences; I'm self-taught, rudimentarily, in those areas. And sure I also see where maybe I could sharpen my critical thinking skills! :-). However, I stumbled onto LaViolette's writings and he can appear credible (IMO) to the uninitiated. (Detrimentally, however, he weaves in a sort of "metaphysical" interpretation, which even I can see tends to undermine his attempt to present himself as a scientist). Nonetheless, I was caught up by his claims of beryllium-10 concentrations found in ice-cores at the end of the Ice Age. He uses this data as "proof" of his increased cosmic ray activity (if I understand this correctly). Maybe this data has been manipulated to suit his theory, so perhaps someone could shed light on this. And... as he takes an interdisciplinary venue to weave his theory, I can begin to appreciate how it would be difficult or next to impossible to critique everything he claims. I was furthermore taken in by his "impressive-looking"scientific "predictions" as supposedly presented in his dissertations---I'm thinking: "Is this man really that smart?... Is he really on to something here?" But,if he's just another pseudo-scientist, (as I'm beginning to suspect), I do appreciate the efforts of those pointing out his errors. After all, if his "science" is fallacious, then his deadly "galactic superwaves" don't exist and won't threaten us! Thanks to those who take the time to respond. |
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Re: Critiques of Dr. Paul LaViolette's theoroes
From: omnivorous-ga on 27 Oct 2004 04:19 PDT |
CitizenA -- There are two books and possibly a magazine article that might make interesting reading for you. They are related to LaViolette at least tangentially. The first is "T.rex and the Crater of Doom" by Walter Alvarez. Louis Alvarez (Walter's father) and Walter had found layers of iridium, a rare earth element, at various geological sites in the 1970s. Alvarez went so far as to date it -- and noted that it roughly corresponded to the boundary between the Cretaceous and Tertiary periods, 65 million years ago. But Alvarez was a physicist, so his theories on it coinciding with dinosaur extinction were disregarded. After all we have paleontologists and biologists for that expertise. Was it incumbent on science to debunk the Alvarez' theory? No it was incumbent on Alvarez to accumulate additional evidence -- which they did. It's now well-accepted: http://www.exn.ca/dinosaurs/story.asp?id=2000033168&name=archives Walter's book tells the story of accumulating the evidence -- some of it from very unusual places. Yet another book to reflect on the same story is William Glen's "The Mass-Extinction Debates: How Science Works in a Crisis." Glen takes this very debate on comets and mass extinction through the stages that all controversial theories go: 1. the idea is preposterous 2. okay, there's some evidence but not enough 3. now there's lots of evidence but current theories account for it 4. acceptance of the new theory Here's the Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0804722854/qid=1098875498/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-9567084-2762523?v=glance&s=books Finally, in about March of this year, The New Yorker magazine ran an article on "crackpot" theories and what happens to them. (Unfortunately I couldn't find it indexed in Infotrac nor online at The New Yorker site.) One of the research secretaries at Berkeley actually keeps a file drawer on submissions they receive. Of course the theories represent everything from ill-shaped concepts to fantasy. Again, it's incumbent on LaViollette to build evidence for his claim. But it does happen that scientific evidence and theories are developed and never popularized. The work of Gregor Mendel, the well-known father of genetics, went unknown until well after his death. Mendel, who worked in a monastery, conducted his work in obscurity over 30 years and finally gave it up and went into administration. There's a story for a Dilbert cartoon there! http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/06/1/l_061_01.html Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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