Reading Verse's in the bible,how do you understand what is beging said
?,E.G "(He,Who) that hath ears to hear, "Let him hear !"
(There are two reading of the same Verse,Read one line or a statement
upto a period or a comma,using the first half value)

in this example of formulated reading what would be the "First half value" ??

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Request for Question Clarification by kriswrite-ga on 27 Oct 2004 18:29 PDT

I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking how a verse
should be read if more than one choice of words is given (as in
amplified Bibles)?

Kriswrite

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Clarification of Question by josephjphs-ga on 01 Nov 2004 17:34 PST

Hi, Kriswrite-Ga, Sorry about the delay about clarification.

I don't know how to go about this proper,or ask for the correct
help,but I will try answer as much as I can.

This was a life changing experience for me.
On 9/22/95 I aweak to a semi-conscious state (vision)where I was
learning to understand "THE Word"in the Bible or God The written
word-in wrote-words-or Reading in Tongues,I was shown there are (two)
Reading of the same (Verse)or Statement,Some where in (The HOLY
SCRIPTURE)? (WHERE)-UNTO THE LORD)"Whence the work for thou self for
how shall I pay thee" But I was told to understand or Read it this
way," THERE ARE TWO READ OF THE SAME VERSE READ ONE LINE OR A
STATEMENT UP TO A PERIOD, OR A COMMA USING THE FIRST HALF VALUE".

I Prayed and ask THE LORD to teach me to Read like that! Let me
understand it!, I was told,it was Reading in Tongues or speaking in
tongues , I lay There with my eyes till close.

I have done alot of asking,seeking,and knock on doors ,to no aveil
only to be told in most of the asking that (IT) was sealed,or some
said Bless be upon you ,
there is more but enough for now .

I have search using the Key" UNTO THE LORD " BUT THE PHARSE IS TO LONG
ON MOST SEARCH ENGINE, SO I hope this will help!

There should be no apostrophe in the word "verses" (plural) when this
is a simply referring to more than on verse.  "Verse's" (singular
possessive) means "of the verse".  "Verses'" would mean "of the
verses" (plural possessive).

Hi Joseph jphs. Your verse is apparently from the King James version
in old english. This alone makes it hard to understand when most of us
use normal [ for today] english. The "he" in your verse refers to the
listener, to whom Jesus was speaking [ as part of a crowd of
listeners]. Jesus used very simple language to the ordinary people,
whereas the religious leaders of the day were more interested in
holding on to their power and subjecting their congregations to
following the 600 or so traditional laws which were very difficult to
keep.
A scripture that nowadays causes many arguments is John 1;1. In the
NEW WORLD Translation, it reads "In the beginning, the Word [ Jesus]
was [existed] and the Word [ Jesus] was with God [together]and the
Word was a god [ spiritual being]. Verse 2. This one [Jesus] was in
the beginning with [ alongside] God.
The words in brackets are not in the Bible. Other versions of the
Bible have left out the "a" before "god" , small 'g', to say the Jesus
is God himself. John 17;5 states..'So now you Father, glorify me
alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside You before the
earth was [ existed]".
However, Jesus said the he was unable to do anything of his own
initiative. Check scriptures john 5;19,30, 7;28, 8;28, 8;42 and 10;18.
This shows Jesus was a separate individual from his father, God
Almighty, who no man has seen and yet lived . Exodus 33;20. People DID
see Jesus on the earth and benefited from it. The above scriptures,
checkable in the King James version, negate the concept of the
"Trinity", three gods in one, a carryover from Babylonish teachings.
So to understand whether a scripture is written correctly, it is
necessary to cross reference with other associated scriptures
throughout the entire Bible and not just take one scripture in
isolation.

Pugwash, from the way Joseph wrote the question I think you've done
nothing to help him learn what he is looking for.

First to somewhat answer the question...
Joseph: 
   There are many ways to interperate various verses in the bible. 
The best advice I can offer is to read the context of the surrounding
verses as well as the context of the whole bible then form your
opinion of what a verse means.  It will take quite some time to have a
good understanding of scripture but the more you read the more you
will understand for yourself.

   Pugwash was correct in that the bible you are reading (The King
James Version) is a difficult one to read.  It was translated a long
time ago and uses language that is no longer in use.
   Many people like the New International Version (NIV), the New
American Standard (NAS), or the New Living Translation.  Or if you'd
like a little bit more interperitation built into the reading but a
much easier to read bible I suggest The Message (it reads much more
like a novel than any other translation).
   
Pugwash:
   I found the New World Translation to see where you are coming
from... and I now see [understand] where your [Pugwash's] brackets
come from.  I know you most likely won't put any stock in what I'm
about to say, but for those other readers out there...  I highly
suggest that you don't take any one translation and put it above the
others.  There are definately translations out there that are
incorrect in ways, but to assume there is 1 in specific that dwarfs
the others is to suggest that language is superior to God's ability to
work in hearts.
   On a similar note, I am interested in how/when/where the NWT was
translated.  Honestly reading part of it I got the impression that
their beliefs were formed and then they translated the words to fit
those beliefs, but I would hope that's not the case.

Joseph,

Please do not let anyone convince you that the Bible is hard to
understand, or that there are hidden meanings that must be discerned
by man-made methods. The Bible itself says nothing about "reading in
tongues." If this technique (or, indeed, any technique) were essential
to understanding the Word, would it not be mentioned in Scripture?

I urge you to find a translation of the Bible that is written in
modern language. The King James Version is beautiful, but unless you
are familiar with 17th Century English, it may be unnecessarily
difficult.

And do continue to pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit as you
study. Without His help, the Bible is just ink and paper. With His
help, it is the living Word of God.

Hi there Jack. In answer to your query on the translation of the NWB,
to judge whether its modern english carries the same meaning as the
old english in the King James version, it is only a matter of
comparing verses. Sometimes the verse numbers do not match. What is
important is to grasp the whole theme of the Bible from cover to
cover. And that is; As our creator, does God have the legal right to
direct our lives. The question asked by Josephjphs about the
scripture, worrying about where a comma would be placed, causes him to
miss the point. The same remark, 'Let him that has ears listen', is a
plea by Jesus to understand the principle, and not just hear. The plea
is found at Matthew 11;15, 13;9, 13;43, Mark 4;9. 4;23, and 8;18.

I agree with pugwash on this one.  Worrying about where the comma is
placed is not the point here.  Jesus wants us to hear what He is
saying.  But pug, I'm gonna have to disagree with you about who Jesus
is.  John 1:1 clearly says that Christ is God (as for the lower case
"g" in God, all "g's" in the New Testament are lowercase".  There is
only one God, which you would agree with me about.  There is no way
Christ could be "a god" and still have that statement to be true.  In
John 20:28, Thomas calls Jesus his "Lord and his God."  In John 8:58,
Jesus says that before Abraham was "I AM." (For all that don't know,
that is the exact name that God gave to Moses on Sinai). In Revelation
1:8 Christ refers to Himself as the "Alpha and Omega" (The beginning
and the end).  Lastly, in Philippians 2:6 Paul says that Jesus was in
the form of God (the word used here is morphe, which means "exact
being".)  Christ is exactly what God is.  He is God.

Working in a Christian bookstore, I can confidently say that the most
reliable, accurate, word-for-word translation out ther is the New
American Standard Bible (NASB).  Coming in a close second is the
English Standard Version (ESV).

I'm with Jack on this one, the NWT does make the Scriptures say what
it wants it to to fit their beliefs.  It is not an academically sound
document.  This can be noted by seeing that no names of editors or
interpretors occur in any of the NWT Bibles.  Neither do any names
occur in any of the WatchTower documents.  This should signal a red
flag to anyone who wants a reliable, accurate translation.

In His grace, 
Theologian <><