Automatically showing "omitted results" in a Yahoo! query 
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How do I write a query that will AUTOMATICALLY bring up all results
for the subdomain without me having to click on "...show omitted
results".

Take the following example:

hostname:www.imeche.org.uk inurl:events_research modern

Now, what this does initially is bring up the homepage for my site

(http://www.imeche.org.uk/events_research/index.asp) 

where the keyword "modern" can be found.

I initially thought that the query above would only return results for
the start page of the subdomain (in this case
events_research/index.asp), as this is the only page that is displayed
initially.

However, I noticed that you can expand results in Yahoo! (as in Google):

"In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some
entries very similar to the ones already displayed. If you like, you
can repeat the search with the omitted results included."

If I expand the results I now get every page in the subdomain
"events_research". Do you know of a way I can build the option to show
the omitted results from the outset, without having to click this
option?

Thanks

Martin

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Clarification of Question by martinbsp-ga on 29 Oct 2004 01:10 PDT

Please supply the necessary code/example query structure

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Clarification of Question by martinbsp-ga on 29 Oct 2004 04:29 PDT

http://www.unitedheroes.net/blogs/jr/archives/p/1064

The post above points to a possible option but doesn't indicate how
that might fit into my HTML:



<FORM name=searchroll1> <INPUT size=80 
      name=keys> <INPUT 

onclick="location.href='http://search.yahoo.com/search?&amp;p='+(searchroll1.keys.value)+'%20(site:imeche.org.uk
path:events_research OR site:sae.org OR site:sbac.co.uk OR )'"

type=button value=Search> 
      </FORM></TD></TR>

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Clarification of Question by martinbsp-ga on 29 Oct 2004 06:48 PDT

This thread is becoming a bit convulated now, but this will be my last post.

What I am trying to do is build a search form for a specific technical area, 
in this case the aerospace industry, that will allow certain members of our 
technical committees to query only specific websites at the same time.  So 
for example, we need to keep track of the types of seminars and conferences 
that are being run on the topic of aerospace.

Now, I have already spent a long time figuring out the best websites to 
monitor for this information.  So, instead of searching the whole of the 
Yahoo! for aerospace events I can narrow my search down to only those 
domains I choose.  (I've chosen the Yahoo! index because Google is limited 
to 10 words, the MSN index is still in it's experimental stage and finally 
because, as I understand it, Yahoo! probably has the next best index after 
Google).

So far so good.  As you will see from the attached file I have created a 
searchbox that will allow me to restrict searches to those domains I choose.

Furthermore, I have been able to restrict the search still further to a 
subdomain within each individual website, e.g.:

site:imeche.org.uk path:events_research research
searches only within http://www.imeche.org.uk/events_research.asp/


Now, the problem I have is that Yahoo! omits WWW documents from the ranked 
list of search results that it provides, when the documents are 'very 
similar'.  Yahoo! offers the possibility to "repeat the search with the 
omitted results included", on the last page with search results:

"In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some 
entries very similar to the ones already displayed.  If you like, you can 
repeat the search with the omitted results included."


This is problematic, because much of the time users of the search engine 
will never bother to click the "you can repeat the search with the omitted 
results included" option.  This means that in many cases the user will not 
find the

- oldest, authentic, master version of a document
- the newest, most recent version of a document
- any variation of a document that is actually required and index by a 
search engine

The above builds in the assumption that:

(a) Yahoo! has indexed that version
(b) It is ranked high enough to appear in the omitted results
(c) etc


So, I need to be able to build something into my current HTML form so that 
when a user conducts a search, if there are "omitted results" these are 
included these are automatically expanded and available in the search 
results from the outset, without the user having to click the "you can 
repeat the search with the omitted results included" option.

If it helps I have come across what appears to be an answer:

add ?&dups=1? to the URL


This solution is posited very briefly at:
http://www.unitedheroes.net/blogs/jr/archives/p/1064

but the poster does not have time to go into detail as to how this can
be implemented into existing code.



Phew!

Hope this explains things a bit better.