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Subject: Origin of a famous saying
Category: Arts and Entertainment
Asked by: jmphilly-ga
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Posted: 31 Oct 2004 07:48 PST
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Question ID: 422534
Who said "The only constant is change itself"?
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Subject: Re: Origin of a famous saying
Answered By: markj-ga on 01 Nov 2004 10:13 PST
 
jmphilly --

Thanks very much for clarification.  I am glad that I was able to find
what you were looking for.  In order to make the answer "official,"  I
have simply reposted the information below.

My search strategy was to check my Bartlett's Familiar Quotations
first, and I found the Heraclitus quote through the book's keyword
index (I used the word "change").

I then conducted various Google searches to gather more information
about the quote and its source, as well as to seek out and research
variations on the language you cited to see if there were other good
possibilities for the sourced quote you are looking for.  In this
process, I was able to assure myself that the information I had found
was accurate and complete, and that the Heraclitus quote was the only
sourced expression that expressed the meaning of your language exactly
(or even reasonably closely).


If anything remains unclear, please ask for clarification before
rating the answer.

How here, for the record, is a reposting of the answer:


The closest I have been able to come is, "There is nothing permanent
except change," which is consistently attributed to the Greeek
philospher Heraclatus. There apparently is no primary written source,
but a few online sources say that it was quoted by Diogenes in his
"Lives of the Philosophers.:  For example:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/6517/454.htm

And here is a link to a forum  exchange (only available as a
Google-cached page)on the very subject of your question and provides
some sourced variations on the theme of the quote:

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:q6H5Ygbe5UQJ:www.famous-quotations.com/forum/forum_posts.asp%3FTID%3D62%26PN%3D1%26get%3Dlast+%22nothing+permanent+except+change%22+heraclitus+diogenes&hl=en

My 1955 edition of Bartlett's Familiar Quotations cites "Rogers:
Student's History of Philosophy" as its source for the quotation from
Heraclitus, which is not inconsistent with the Diogenes attribution
because Rogers certainly didn't get it from Heraclitus himself.


markj-ga
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Subject: Re: Origin of a famous saying
From: markj-ga on 31 Oct 2004 08:42 PST
 
jmphilly --

The closest I have been able to come is, "There is nothing permanent
except change," which is consistently attributed to the Greeek
philospher Heraclatus. There apparently is no primary written source,
but a few online sources say that it was quoted by Diogenes in his
"Lives of the Philosophers.:  For example:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/6517/454.htm

And here is a link to a forum  exchange (only available as a
Google-cached page)on the very subject of your question and provides
some sourced variations on the theme of the quote:

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:q6H5Ygbe5UQJ:www.famous-quotations.com/forum/forum_posts.asp%3FTID%3D62%26PN%3D1%26get%3Dlast+%22nothing+permanent+except+change%22+heraclitus+diogenes&hl=en


My 1955 edition of Bartlett's Familiar Quotations cites "Rogers:
Student's History of Philosophy" as its source for the quotation from
Heraclitus, which is not inconsistent with the Diogenes attribution
because Rogers certainly didn't get it from Heraclitus himself.

I have posted this a comment, not an answer, because it doesn't give a
source for the wording you have provided.  If the above information is
fully satisfactory to you, let me know, and I will post it as an
answer.

markj-ga
Subject: Re: Origin of a famous saying
From: jmphilly-ga on 01 Nov 2004 09:20 PST
 
Definitely sounds like an answer to me!! Thanks!

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