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Subject: HEALTH PROBLEMS
Category: Health > Conditions and Diseases
Asked by: lawrence5277-ga
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Posted: 03 Nov 2004 12:41 PST
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Question ID: 424009
IF A "NORMAL IN GOOD HEALTH" PERSON#1 WERE USING AND ABUSING THE DRUG "PREDNISONE"
"FOR A PERIOD OF 2 WEEKS, WHAT POTENTIAL HEALTH PROBLEMS COULD OCCUR
OR ARRISE FROM SUCH USE?
IF PERSON#2, HAD BEEN TAKING "PREDNISONE" FOR THE SAME 2 WEEK PERIOD,
WHILE THINKING HIS MEDICATION WAS "PHENOBARBITOL" MISFILLED BY A
PHARMACIST, NOW, NOT ONLY BEING "PHENOBARBITOL DEPRIVED" FOR 2 WEEKS,
AND "NO SEIZURES" AND "NO"ILLNESSES,FOR NEARLY 13YRS. SINCE BEING
PLACED ON "PHENOBARBITOL", PERSON#2, "NO SIGNS OR OBVIOUS SYMPTOMS,
HAS A GRAND-MAL SEIZURE AND FEVER OF 108F! PERSON#2 CHRONOLOGICAL AGE
OF 27 AND I.Q. OF APPROX.65 OR 6-8YR.OLD FUNCTIONING LEVEL, HAD
INFANCY STREPTOCOCCAL SPINAL MENINGITAS-HYDROSEPHILUS-BRAIN DAMAGE
CAUSING CEREBAL PALSY. AMBULATED WELL WITH HIS WALKER, VERY
INDEPENDANT, NOW, HAS HIS MOTHER AND I DOING PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING
FOR HIM.
LEFT SIDE OF HIS BODY MAJORALLY EFFECTED WITH ULNER DEVIATION IN LEFT
HAND AND WRIST, CONFUSED, LESS COMMUNIITIVE, BILE AND URINE
INCONTINENCE. RECENTLY DIAGNOSED WITH POSSIBLE CROHN'S, IBS,
ULCERATIVE COLITIS, CLOSTRIDIUM DEFFICLE.
ALL OF THIS POST, "PREDNISONE" SEIZURE AND FEVER OF 108F. ODDLY, WHILE
HOSPITALIZED AND PLACED ON LIFE SUPPORT DUE TO RESPITORY FAILURE
DURING THE SEIZURE FOR 3 DAYS, ON RELEASE, AND DUE TO WATERY, BLOODY
STOOL AND AFTER A COLONOSCOPY, DETERMIND THE ABOVE DIAGNOSIS, PERSON#2
WAS PRESCRIBED "PREDNISONE". AFTER BEING GIVEN SOME PRETTY DETAILED
INFO. AND HISTORY, IS THERE A CONNECTION TO THE MISFILLED PRESCRIPTION
OF PREDNISONE, TO ANY OF THE PROBLEMS, HE IS NOW ENCOUNTERING, HAVING
"NEVER" ENCOUNTERED THIS EVER BEFORE? HAS HIS LIFE BEEN SHORTENED?
WE PLEAD AND BEG OF YOU, TO PLEASE HELP US BY YOUR THOROUGH AND
DOCUMENTED RESEARCH!
WHAT CAN BE DONE VIA MEDICINE AND/OR VITAMINS TO RESTORE HIS IMMUNE
SYSTEM? WHAT ABOUT THE BRAIN DAMAGE THAT IS SUFFERED BY 108 FEVER?
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

Clarification of Question by lawrence5277-ga on 08 Nov 2004 12:57 PST
MISFILLED PRESCRIPTION INSTEAD OF PHENOBARBITOL WAS FILLED WITH
PREDNISONE. DUE TO PHENOBARBITOL DEPRAVITY, HAD GRAND-MAL SEIZURE,
FEVER OF 108 AND PLACED ON LIFE SUPPORT. HAS NOW BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH
POSSIBLE CROHN'S AND ULCERATIVE COLITIS ALL POST SYMPTOMS OF SEIZURE
AND FEVER EPISODE. HOW IS THE NEUROLOGICAL ASPECTS AFFECTED AND IS
THERE A CONNECTION OR LINK TO ANY OF THIS?

Request for Question Clarification by easterangel-ga on 11 Nov 2004 17:34 PST
Hi lawrence5277!

Maybe you can answer some questions we have.

a. What was the dosage of the prednisone given? 

b. Prednisone toxicty is related to amount taken. Some people have
been taking prednisone for a long time but no adverse reactons where
observed. How much Phenobarbital is the patient taking?

c. The problem could be caused by absent of Phenobarb rather than
overdose of prednisone. There is such a thing as "steroid psychosis"
please provide me with more symptoms?

Thanks!

Clarification of Question by lawrence5277-ga on 14 Nov 2004 19:55 PST
THE MISFILL ON THE PREDNISONE, I BELIEVE, WAS 40MG'S. GIVEN OVER AN
APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEK PERIOD. WE WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVING OUR SON HIS
NORMAL TWICE DAILY DOSAGES. THE LEGITIMATE PHENOBARBITOL WAS
ADMINISTERED, TWICE DAILY AT 30MG'S EACH.

Clarification of Question by lawrence5277-ga on 17 Nov 2004 20:00 PST
THE AMOUNT OF PREDNISONE MISFILLED WAS 20MGS.GIVEN 2x's DAILY, INSTEAD
OF THE 40MGS ABOVE OR EARLIER.

Clarification of Question by lawrence5277-ga on 19 Nov 2004 09:42 PST
HELLO, IS ANYONE OUT THERE? PLEASE HELP ME WITH MY QUESTION!
THANKS!

Request for Question Clarification by nenna-ga on 19 Nov 2004 14:23 PST
Hello lawrence5277-ga,

Maybe if you broke this up into smaller questions, and assigned what
you thought was the appropiate doller value for each part, it may be
easier for us to get this all answered. This question involves a lot
of time and research. So having a few researchers tackle smaller part
of it may work, much better. Just trying to help you get your question
answered. i know if it was in smaller parts, I woudl work on some of
them.

You may wish to review the Google Answers pricing guidelines:

http://answers.google.com/answers/pricing.html

Nenna-GA
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Subject: Re: HEALTH PROBLEMS
Answered By: welte-ga on 28 Nov 2004 13:03 PST
 
Dear Lawrence,

First, let me say that I?m sorry to learn of the difficult situation
you find yourself in and of the unfortunate events that have befallen
your son.

I am a surgical resident (MD), and can give you some information about
this situation, however this answer is no substitute for direct
medical advice from someone who can physically examine your son and
personally view his medical records.

Let me attempt to tackle your questions one-by-one:
___________________________________________
IF A "NORMAL IN GOOD HEALTH" PERSON#1 WERE USING AND ABUSING THE DRUG
"PREDNISONE""FOR A PERIOD OF 2 WEEKS, WHAT POTENTIAL HEALTH PROBLEMS
COULD OCCUR OR ARRISE FROM SUCH USE?

At the dose you mention (40mg), Prednisone (a glucocorticoid ? a type
of steroid), would affect the immune system and have effects on the
endocrine system.  Prednisone is used to treat a wide variety of
diseases, including inflammatory disorders such as Multiple Sclerosis.
 The dose for MS is typically 200mg once a day for a week, then 80mg
every other day for a month.

A few words about how cortisol acts normally in the body to put it in
context:  In the normal adult, the body makes natural (or endogenous)
corticosteroids (cortisol is a principle steroid made by the body) in
a cyclical pattern (diurnal or circadian), following a day-night
rhythm.  The hypothalamus (located in the brain) and pituitary gland
(also in the brain), and adrenal glands (two glands that sit on top of
each kidney) control the cycle as follows:  ACTH (adrenocorticotropin
? a hormone) is lowest at about 10pm and highest at about 6am.  High
levels of ACTH in the evening stimulate a rise in the cortisol level
in the blood between 2am and 8am.  Rising cortisol causes a feed-back
on ACTH, resulting in decreasing ACTH levels in the blood.

Receiving corticosteroids exogenously (e.g., prednisone), causes a
suppression of ACTH and results in a suppression of cortisol
production by the outer portion of the adrenal glands.  After
receiving prednisone for a two week period, your son?s adrenal glands
would have been suppressed, since he was receiving corticosteroids
from the outside and those made by the adrenals were perceived by his
body as ?not needed.?  This is a problem when people are suddenly
taken off of prednisone, in that the adrenal glands are not making the
usual amount of corticosteroids and the person becomes more vulnerable
to a stressful situation (stressful here meaning primarily
physiological stresses ? illness, surgery, blood loss, trauma, etc.). 
For this reason, patients taking prednisone for more than a very brief
period are usually ?tapered? off the drug, to allow their adrenal
glands to restart.  A single dose of prednisone (10mg) can suppress
the adrenal glands for 1.25 to 1.5 days after the drug is
administered.  Other corticosteroids can suppress the adrenals for 2-3
days after the drug is taken, so prednisone is considered one of the
?short acting? corticosteroids.

In terms of side-effects associated with a 2 week course of
prednisone, those mentioned above are the primary ones.  Neurological
side-effects are quite uncommon, but can include increased
intracranial pressure with papilledema (high pressure in the brain)
usually after treatment, convulsions (seizures), vertigo (sensation of
room spinning), and headache.

From the point of view of infections, taking prednisone can mask
infections and cause impaired response to them, including any viral,
bacterial, protozoan, or helminthic (i.e. worms) infections.  This
occurs because cellular immunity, humoral immunity, and neutrophil (a
type of white blood cell that fights infection) function can be
suppressed.

So-called steroid psychosis manifests as psychic derangements that may
appear when corticosteroids are used, ranging from euphoria, insomnia,
mood swings, personality changes, and severe depression, to frank
psychotic manifestations.  Also, existing emotional instability or
psychotic tendencies may be aggravated by corticosteroids.


With regard to the next portion of your question ? What about your son
who was also inadvertently taken off of his phenobarbitol due to a
pharmacy error?

Phenobarbitol is a barbiturate that is used as an anti-seizure
medication, as you know.

While prednisone can rarely cause seizures, your son, who has a known
seizure disorder secondary to a streptococcal meningitis /
hydrocephalus as a child and who now have a developmental delay, the
withdrawal of phenobarbitol is a very likely cause for his grand mal
seizure.  Also, phenobarbitol increases the rate of metabolism of
prednisone, so initially at least, the prednisone that he was
inadvertently taking was being removed from his system more quickly
than one might expect, until the phenobarbitol level in his blood
dropped.

A temperature of 108 is technically termed hyperpyrexia and can cause
further brain damage by causing death of neurons.  You don?t state how
long your son?s seizure lasted, but a prolonged seizure (more than 30
minutes) can indicate a condition known as ?status epilepticus.? 
Status epilepticus can also cause brain damage through a mechanism of
hyperexcitability of neurons ? the neurons are so overstimulated that
they die.  In an unresponsive person, this can usually only be
diagnosed by performing an EEG (electroencephalogram) to look at the
electrical activity of the brain.

The ?temperature control center? of the brain is the hypothalamus. 
Having a severe seizure can cause damage to the hypothalamus and
damage the body?s ability to control it?s temperature, possibly
resulting in your son?s temperature of 108.

Your son?s ulnar deviation is likely a manifestation of this damage to
tissues in the brain.  Because the left hand deviates, the damage
likely occurred on the right side of his brain, in the area that is
involved in control of motor functions.  Unfortunately, such damage is
rarely reversible, although the brain has remarkable plasticity,
meaning that neurons can sometimes be remodeled to perform new jobs so
that some level of function can be restored.  This is often the goal
of physical therapy, occupational therapy, and rehabilitation. 
Improvement can take months to years, however.


You also mention that your son was found to have possible Crohn?s,
IBS, Ulcerative Colitis, and/or Clostridium Difficile.  Let me try to
sort this out ? IBS (Inflammatory Bowel Disease) is a broad category
of disease of the bowel where there is increased inflammation.  The
two main types of IBS are Crohn?s disease and Ulcerative Colitis (UC).
 These are both bad diseases.  Crohn?s patients can have ?fistulas?
and lesions of the bowel anywhere from the mouth to the anus.  The
fistulas appear as improper connections between the bowel and either
other organs or the skin surface ? for example, they can have
?enterocutaneous fistulae,? which would be a connection from the bowel
to the skin out of which stool could be expressed.  Another
possibility may be enterocystic fistulae, where a connection forms
between the bowel and the bladder, resulting in repeated bladder
infections.  Ulcerative colitis is usually limited to the end portion
of the large bowel.  IBS usually results in alternating bouts of
diarrhea and constipation in addition to the above problems, and can
sometimes cause bowel obstructions.  Although surgeons delay as long
as possible, patients with ulcerative colitis usually eventually
require a colectomy to remove the diseased portion of the large
intestine.  The way to determine which type of disease your son has is
to perform a colonoscopy (placing a long tube with a camera into the
rectum) to directly visualize any lesions and possibly take some small
tissue samples (biopsies) to look at under a microscope.  There are
treatment options available for IBS, depending on the type and extent.
 Patients with IBS can live full lives (a friend of mine is a medical
student with Crohn?s ? he has earned a Ph.D., and will soon earn his
M.D.), however they have additional challenges.

Clostridium difficile (C. diff) is a microorganism that can infect the
bowel and cause diarrhea.  It is most common in hospitalized patients
and those on antibiotics.  The stool can be tested for the toxin that
this organism produces.  If your son tested negative, this may be why
they are exploring the IBS possibility.

This finding that your son may have IBS of one type or another is not
likely to be related to the errors made in his medications or his
seizure, and was likely found incidentally while he was in the
hospital.


So, to summarize:  It appears that your son failed to receive his
Phenobarbital, suffered a seizure.  Either the severity of the seizure
(i.e., prolonged muscle contractions) or damage to the hypothalamus
caused hyperpyrexia, which may have caused further damage to the
brain.  His ulnar deviation and diminished mental capacity are likely
a result of this brain damage.  He may have had further compromise due
to sudden withdrawal of prednisone and resulting adrenal
insufficiency, which can cause a drop in blood pressure.  His possible
IBS is likely an incidental finding and will require further workup,
likely by a gastroenterologist (a doctor specializing in the
intestines).  His motor and mental abilities will possibly improve
with physical therapy, occupational therapy, and rehabilitation. 
Vitamins are not likely to improve his condition, but probably won?t
hurt him either.  I would run any vitamins or other alternative
therapies by his primary physician to insure that there are no
interactions between the medications.


Here are some references where you can find more information:


RxList.com has a large database of drug information.  I use it in the
hospital all the time.  They also list a ?patient information?
section.  Here are links for prednisone and phenobarbitol:

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/pred.htm
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/phenbarb.htm


Here is a list of support groups for IBS patients and professional
organizations ? they have a wealth of information on support,
treatment options, diets, etc.:

http://www.ibsgroup.org/
http://www.helpforibs.com/supportgroups/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php
http://www.ehow.com/how_11374_find-support-irritable.html
http://www.ibsassociation.org/
http://www.iffgd.org/

There are also the following usenet newsgroups:

Alt.support.ibs
Alt.support.crohns-colitis

I hope this answer was helpful.  Please feel free to ask for any clarification.

             -welte-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by lawrence5277-ga on 29 Nov 2004 13:27 PST
I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE, HOWEVER WHEN SPEAKING WITH OTHER
MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THEY ARE OF THE STRONG OPINION, THAT THE
PREDNISONE BEING AN IMMUNOSUPPRESANT, IT CERTAINLY COULD BE TIED TO MY
SON'S RECENT AND POST ULCERATIVE COLITIS AND NOW, POSSIBLE CROHN'S, BY
ALLOWING BACTERIA TO OCCUR WHEN HIS MEDICAL PAST WOULD SHOW, IT
WOULDN'T HAVE OTHERWISE. EVEN THOUGH OUR SON HAD SOME OBVIOUS
CHALLENGES, HE HAS "NOT" BEEN A SICKLY CHILD. THE FACT OF THE MATTER
IS,BEFORE HE EXPERIENCED THE PREDNISONE, SEIZURE AND FEVER, HE
ACTUALLY HAD THE OPPOSITE BILE PROBLEM WITH, CONSTIPATION. SO MUCH SO,
HE WAS TREATED FOR INTERNAL HEMOROIDS. THAT LEAKED BLOOD. WOULD 20MGS
2x's DAILY HAVE A NEGATIVE OR RELATED EFFECT? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE
PREDNISONE COULD AND DOES MASK PROBLEMS. CERTAINLY IF HE ALREADY HAD
THE ULCERATIVE COLITIS AND POSSIBLE CROHN'S, WOULDN'T WE HAVE ALREADY
SEEN THE SYMPTOMS AND WHY "ONLY" "AFTER" THE TRAUMATIC RECENT
EXPERIENCE, DID ALL OF THIS POP UP? WHAT ABOUT THE PHENOBARBITOL
SPEEDING UP THE METABOLIC RATE OF PREDNISONE? ALSO, MY SON SEIZED FOR
30-35 MINUTES. THANKS FOR YOUR EXPECTED REPLY!

Clarification of Answer by welte-ga on 29 Nov 2004 17:44 PST
I wanted to add another possible component that I didn't mention: 
anoxic brain injury.  Because your son suffered from respiratory
distress (or possibly respiratory arrest, I can't tell which exactly),
his brain may have been deprived of oxygen for some period of time. 
Depending on how long the brain is hypoxic (low on oxygen), damage to
neurons can occur resulting in variable deficits ranging from from
weakness to coma and death.  Such anoxic brain injury may have
contributed to your son's new onset ulnar deviation and change in
mental status, in conjunction with damage that may have occurred from
his high temperature.

         -welte-ga

Clarification of Answer by welte-ga on 29 Nov 2004 18:01 PST
I understand the point made by some medical professionals regarding
steroids allowing bacteria to grow more unchecked than they may
otherwise.  This is a problem when people have bacteria in their
blood, for example, and are on steroids such as prednisone, due to
it's immunosuppressive effects.  In that situation, the bacteria may
grow more quickly and spread more widely than they might if the body's
immune system were not affected by the corticosteroids.

Regardless of this effect, ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease are
not caused by an overgrowth of bacteria.  Their cause is unknown, but
may be an autoimmune phenomenon.  That your son was found to have IBS
at the same time as his seizure is very likely a coincidence - the
disease may have been discovered at a later time if he hadn't had the
seizure.  Because he was in the hospital in the ICU, he would have had
very close monitoring by the medical staff, who would have been
looking at every system in his body for any type of disease or
malfunction that could have compromised his well-being.  I dont' have
the details of his medical record, but if he had diarrhea in the
hospital and a positive test for blood in his stool, then the next
test would be for c. difficile bacteria.  If this were negative, then
and he had a significant blood loss, then a colonoscopy would likely
be performed to make sure he didn't have a bleed from somewhere in his
intestines.  During such a colonoscopy, IBS can be diagnosed.  I had a
patient in a similar situation just last week, who had no history of
anything like this, but was found to have Crohn's disease when a
colonoscopy was performed.

People with internal hemorrhoids and constipation can certainly also
have IBS (either UC or Crohn's).  IBS is often characterized by
intermittent bouts of constipation and diarrhea, and contipation can
lead to or worsen hemorrhoids (both internal and external).  None of
these conditions is really related to problems with bile - that is
usually something more like gall bladder disease or, sometimes, liver
disease.

Phenobarbitol causes an induction of liver enzymes that metabolize
prednisone.  This means that as long as there was some phenobarbitol
in your son's sytem, the liver enzymes were operating at a faster rate
and would have cleared out the prednisone for the first few days more
quickly than normal.  The size of this effect is variable between
people.

The biggest problem here was clearly that your son did not receive his
phenobarbitol, likely resulting in his seizure.  Many people take
prednisone for many reasons and do not, to my knowledge, have any
higher incidence of IBS (either UC or Crohn's disease), so this
exposure to prednisone for 2 weeks was unlikely to be the cause of his
disease.

            -welte-ga
Comments  
Subject: Re: HEALTH PROBLEMS
From: politicalguru-ga on 19 Nov 2004 14:52 PST
 
See an addition by the customer: 
<http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=431124>
Subject: Re: HEALTH PROBLEMS
From: pinkfreud-ga on 19 Nov 2004 15:01 PST
 
I very much doubt that 20 mg of prednisone, taken twice daily, could
cause the drastic reaction that you describe.

I have taken large doses of prednisone for several years, with no ill
effects other than water retention, a puffy face, acne, and some
unwanted hair growth.
Subject: Re: HEALTH PROBLEMS
From: lawrence5277-ga on 22 Nov 2004 11:01 PST
 
APPARENTLY, YOU MAY HAVE MISSED THE PART OF THE PHENOBARBITOL
DEPRAVITY, THE FEVER OF 108(WHAT ABOUT BRAIN INJURY?), THE GRAND-MAL
SEIZURE, THE WORSENED DEFORMITY OF LIMBS,AND OF COURSE ALL
POST-PREDNISONE(IMMUNE-SUPPRESSANT)AND NOW, CROHN'S AND ULCERATIVE
COLITIS? MORE RESEARCH NEEDED TO SATISFY.
THANKS!

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