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Subject:
ultralight flying
Category: Sports and Recreation Asked by: irkent-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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18 Jul 2002 08:56 PDT
Expires: 20 Jul 2002 08:59 PDT Question ID: 42503 |
I am looking for a detailed comparison of ultralight trike flying versus powered parasailing in terms of safety, adaptability to various weather conditions, i.e. performance of each in certain wind conditons, landing with cross wind etc., ease of landing, etc. | |
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Subject:
Re: ultralight flying
From: curepi-ga on 18 Jul 2002 11:17 PDT |
I hope you value this comment a little more than USD 10.- I lost a friend flying trike. I lost my brother, paragliding. Both my brother and me flew paragliders and motorized paragliders for seven years. Were certified national instructors in paragliders and established the first motorized paragliding school in our country, Argentina. And made the first motorized flighs in Uruguay, and Paraguay. My brother was also a skydiver. We imported and sold over 1000 units in a 3.5 year period, doubling the rate of USA . I can give you tons of data on paragliders w and w/o motor, but very little on trikes, including critical data you didn't even ask as stall speed, recovering manouvers minimal height, etc. Nevertheless the REAL info is : both activities are high risk inherent. We are Not talking about highway driving risk. Taking about 1/1000 per year death risk, plus all the horrible injuries you can't possible imagine. I've seen, driven into hospital, participated in memorials all kind of hangglider and paraglider accidents. People around me suffered from: death quadriplegia hemiplegia deafness broken bones repaired with metal which hurts every single rainy day At that time we tried to make a catalog of reasons for the accidents. Now in perspective, I can tell you the main reason was DENIAL OF RISK, which permitted us to fly. We were looking for adrenaline and found tears. Still looking for the data ? I hope the people at Google Answers could let me reply as a Researcher, in order to share with you my knowledge accordingly. Yours friendly, a. curepi |
Subject:
Re: ultralight flying
From: curepi-ga on 18 Jul 2002 15:37 PDT |
Dear irkent-ga : I'll try to give you some data on your question, because I think my point was made very clear. First some conventions: parasail : a round parachute towed by car or boat ( http://www.pointpleasantbeach.com/parasail.gif ) motorized paragliders ( mp ) : a paraglider + harness + motor ( http://www.marbella-parapente.com ) trike : a hangglider with motor and wheels ( sometimes floats!) ( http://poweredchutes.tripod.com/images/FeaturePhotos/trike.jpg ) In the comparison you've asked, safety should be your first issue. The stall speed in mp is substantially lower than in any other flying device except for ballooning. Usually around 20 Km/H ( although advertised 16 Km/H the real speed is a little bit higher ). As the turning radius is very small, this means mp pilots do not land with cross winds on purpose ( only accidentally ) even in narrow corridors : you can always turn towards the wind in 20 m and land safely at a very low relative-to-ground speed . I've landed with crosswinds , backwinds ( on my second free-flight ) and had no problems, except that it is impossible to run at more than 20 Km/H with a 18 Kg paramotor on your back!!!!! ) Stall speed is crucial also for lifting off : a low stall speed means you can lift off even with no wind in a few meters ( less than 20 ) . These figures are impossible with trikes. No runway ( was that the title of Nevil Shute's novel ?) : the terrain requirements are very different for a trike and a mp . Under turbulent conditions, both of them present problems: on perfectly clear days you can have +8m/s thermals surrunded by -8m/s downburst ( I've been there... ) diving your paraglider 45 degres below the horizontal, and with a motor in your back ! And trikes are not meant for acrobatic manouvering either ! ( my friend's simply broke in an accidental stall while recovering, causing his death ) Max speed: 50 Km/H for mp but a little less if mantaining altitude Twice as much for trikes. Emergency parachutes ? http://www.eaglequest.co.uk/Client156/ParaglidingContent.nsf/77ddc3fdf1cf2a1d80256771003e4e4a/204a114e1eada4db8025677c00545e00?OpenDocument I've thrown mine during a practice : 40 m lost ( my brother killed himself in only 10 m ) . Second-Chantz ballistic ( pneumatic ) were big, expensive, dangerous and finally not used. Performance: no doubt a hangglider glides more than a paraglider. And a swift is better ( http://www.ping.be/%7Eping4026/swift.htm ) And a sailplane even better. But that's not the issue : with paragliders and mp you can climb thermals by turning inside the bubble. And take it with in the smallest compact car's trunk. Assembly in 5 minutes as compared to maybe 1/2 hour. My choice ? www.hobiecat.com.ar Wind, adrenaline, power, fun. Silence. Sounds familiar ? It is more environmental friendly, and allows both soloing and group fun. Hope to have answered your question. Still waiting Google people to invite me as a researcher. a. Curepi |
Subject:
Re: ultralight flying
From: huntsman-ga on 18 Jul 2002 18:58 PDT |
curepi, As a minor footnote to your valuable comments, Nevil Shute's 1948 aviation novel, which presaged the British De Havilland Comet airliner accidents in the 1950's, was entitled "No Highway" (http://www.nevilshute.org/Reviews/highway.html). The 1951 movie was also known by the same title, but is perhaps better known as "No Highway in the Sky". It starred James Stewart, Marlene Dietrich, and Glynnis Johns (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0043859). huntsman |
Subject:
Re: ultralight flying
From: irkent-ga on 19 Jul 2002 07:06 PDT |
Curepi: Thanks for your comments and the time you put in to help me out. Also, thanks to Google for posting them. Your insight certainly gives me pause. I took my first trike ride off a beach in Mexico and it was such a thrilling event, that I wanted to do more. I am 58 and got my first motorcycle three years ago. ( I now have a Honda VTX)...it is such a joy. And yet I know there are risks...as with mountain climbing or any number of activities that pique the senses in ways not available in less risky ventures. I guess in posing my question I am trying to find the overall safest way to get in the air by power. Thanks again. |
Subject:
Re: ultralight flying
From: curepi-ga on 19 Jul 2002 15:44 PDT |
http://www.fai.org/hang_gliding/documents/parapro.asp is a good place to start about safety in paragliders. For hanggliders http://www.fai.org/hang_gliding/documents/safepro.asp http://www.bhpa.co.uk/skywings/old_website/latest/accidentvi/accidentvi.htm and the 6 previous reports include an accident comparison in both free flight sports. ( "flight accident statistics" through Google.) http://www.parapente.com.ar/libros/libros.php is my former pupil Alejandro Spitznagel's page, including several books . There's one completely devoted to mp ISBN 84-87695-08-6 and a version in english. I've read all of them (except this last one) and be careful : there are some errors printed on them. For example there are mathematical demonstrations which we daily proved wrong. Which takes us to the question : "when theory and reality differ, which one should be changed ?" Powered Paragliding Pilot Training Manual by Andre S.Rossin-Arthiat, A.S Rossin-Arthiat at www.amazon.com Paramotoring From the Ground Up by Noel Whittall also at www.amazon.com "motorized hangglider" search at www.metacrawler.com gave me some interesting results, including one stating "Leave your inhibitions at home, live your dreams and let them come true". No comment. Same search at www.google.com included interesting sites like http://www.all-about-hang-gliding.com/faq.htm . You posted "And yet I know there are risks...as with mountain climbing or any number of activities that pique the senses in ways not available in less risky ventures." I agree with you that adrenaline makes us feel alive. But you have to know in these high risk sports that risk is not only statistical. It is only a matter of time, before it happens to you. I feel the adrenaline flow every time I sail at 25 Km/H with a 18 Km/H wind, but if I make a mistake ( meteorological conditions, manouvering, etc) the worst case scenario does not put my life into risk. Finally, to reply your last comment, I have no doubt safest way to get in the air by power, is to travel in a good-old-747. I'm sure there must be a link somewhere... But not in my country, btw ( http://www.faa.gov/apa/pr/pr.cfm?id=1587 ) I hope to have helped you in your search, yours friendly, Curepi |
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