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Can They Say That on TV?
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Television Asked by: nelson-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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07 Nov 2004 20:13 PST
Expires: 07 Dec 2004 20:13 PST Question ID: 425962 |
On the 8th episode of this season's The Apprentice, one of the candidates (I don't remember which; he was male), said "p***y" (same word meaning cat, but the vulgar meaning). The show is not live, and this was aired. I thought this was something that could not be said on broadcast TV and certainly not in the 9-10 pm slot. How did this get past the censors? What are the words that cannot be used on broadcast channels? |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 08 Nov 2004 08:22 PST Rated: |
Nelson, Thanks for accepting my remarks as your answer. I've reposted them below, with a couple of additions. I doubt that the word 'p*ssy" would pass the network censors if it were an obvious reference to female genitalia. The way it was used on "The Apprentice 2," in referring to Elizabeth, was not such a usage. " Wes, proving once again that he?s a standup guy, gives Elizabeth some advice in dealing with Trump in the boardroom: 'Your best shot is to be totally opinionated and honest and hope your opinion matches up with what he thinks.' Overhearing them, Jennifer is irate and confronts Wes afterwards, 'I heard you coaching her. You know it?s not fair. You?re not on our team.' She can?t stand the fact that he?s helping someone who?s bringing her team down. Wes tells her, 'All I said to her was, don?t be a pussy,' to which Jennifer can only say, 'I wonder if she can help it.' " In such a context, "p*ssy" is more like "wussy" or "sissy." IMHO, it's not a direct sexual reference. The Apprentice Rules: Episode 208: "A Tale of Two Leaders" http://www.theapprenticerules.com/weekly-reports/episode-208-page-6.html Words which may have sexual connotations are often allowed if the context does not specifically apply to the sexual meaning of such a word. As an example: up until recently, "ass" was permitted on network TV only in the sense of "idiot" or "jackass" (such as "Don't be an ass"), but not as a direct reference to buttocks. This has changed; I've heard quite a few anatomical "ass" remarks this season. Here's an interesting article about the origins of the word "p*ssy" (BEWARE: some vulgar language) The Guide Online: Don't be a pussy http://www.guidemag.com/magcontent/invokemagcontent.cfm?ID=F6D0CFDF-F4A9-4FE6-B94FFA6B12B0422F " Isn't there a law against cursing on television? Actually, no. 'A lot of people think there are certain words you can't say on television, but that's not the case,' says Robert Thompson, director of the Center for the Study of Popular Television at Syracuse University in New York. 'It's all really vague.'... Even in terms of broadcast television, laws regarding what can't be said or shown are fuzzy. They're much like obscenity laws, and depend on artistic context and community standards. Nudity -- for example -- may be artistic, or it may be crude... Complaints against programing are handled on a local basis, so the question becomes whether something that's a dirty word in one part of the country is necessarily dirty in another. Complaints filed against a show are not filed against the network -- NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. -- broadcasting the show, but against a local affiliate. Which is why an episode of NYPD Blue may be blacked out in Arkansas while shown in New York. " Detroit News Online: Crying Foul! http://www.detnews.com/2001/entertainment/0107/10/d01-244251.htm " While cable premium channel HBO has produced in recent years shows marked by sex, violence, obscenities and profanities, networks such as FX and MTV have been successful at pushing basic cable's limits in the last year. This summer, reality programs such as NBC's 'Dog Eat Dog' and CBS' 'Big Brother III' have further tested broadcast television's standards, according to The Reporter. 'There's been a revolution in content going on over the past 10 years,' said Rick Mater, head of the WB Network's standards and practices department, according to The Reporter. 'And it's not slowing down -- it's speeding up.' The use of certain obscenities previously banned on broadcast TV also has become accepted. 'I think there's three or four words left that honestly everyone would agree are still inappropriate, and I'm sure those [words] are going to fall by the wayside anyway,' NBC's Wurtzel [Alan Wurtzel, who oversees standards at NBC] told The Reporter. Bochco said, according to The Reporter, 'The one thing you learn over the years with broadcast standards is there's no such thing as broadcast standards. The standard is anything you can get them to let you do.' " LifeWay: Broadcast TV May Test Limits on Sex, Language http://www.lifeway.com/lwc/article_main_page/0,1703,A%253D150042%2526M%253D200341,00.html Best, Pink | |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 07 Nov 2004 20:42 PST |
I doubt that the word 'p*ssy" would pass the network censors if it were an obvious reference to female genitalia. The way it was used on "The Apprentice 2," in referring to Elizabeth, was not such a usage. " Wes, proving once again that he?s a standup guy, gives Elizabeth some advice in dealing with Trump in the boardroom: 'Your best shot is to be totally opinionated and honest and hope your opinion matches up with what he thinks.' Overhearing them, Jennifer is irate and confronts Wes afterwards, 'I heard you coaching her. You know it?s not fair. You?re not on our team.' She can?t stand the fact that he?s helping someone who?s bringing her team down. Wes tells her, 'All I said to her was, don?t be a pussy,' to which Jennifer can only say, 'I wonder if she can help it.' " In such a context, "p*ssy" is more like "wussy" or "sissy." IMHO, it's not a direct sexual reference. http://www.theapprenticerules.com/weekly-reports/episode-208-page-6.html Regarding the words that can't be said on television, here's a classic George Carlin routine (WARNING: includes the seven no-no words without *sterisks): http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/SevenDirtyWords.shtml |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: probonopublico-ga on 07 Nov 2004 21:13 PST |
Pink is right... as always! (Is there anything that she doesn't know?) It was actually a clever bit of 'product placement' (i.e. subliminal advertising) for an exciting new gizmo ... the 'Purrfect'. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=424180 Well spotted! The inventor also thanks you for helping to spread the word. |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: whyisitso-ga on 07 Nov 2004 21:29 PST |
I certainly am not a member of the overly politically-correct crowd, but the usage of the word "pussy" has always bothered me. I would say that pinkfreud is right, the word was not being used in a sexual way, but I would argue that it is being used in a sexist way. In my experience, when someone says "don't be a pussy," pinkfreud is right about this, they mean "quit being weak and timid." However, the implication is that you are being weak and timid because you are being unmanly. In my experience, "don't be a pussy" is the equivalent of "don't be a vagina." It's worth noting that "wussy" is most likely a blend of wimp and pussy. Sissy, meanwhile, is a diminutive form of "sis." "Sissy" is defined by the American Heritage Dictionary as "a boy or man regarded as effeminate." I can't say that it bothers me that such usages are not censored; what bothers me is the fact that such usages are becoming more and more acceptable in mainstream society. Anyway, that's just my two cents. |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: nelson-ga on 07 Nov 2004 21:44 PST |
Pink, you surprise me. I must disgree with your assessment. Although Wes did not mean a literal vagina, the etymology of the term is definitely from the vulgar term for vagina, not cat. I am a left-leaning centrist (a.k.a., liberal to those of you in the Red State of America), but even I think they should not have broadcast it. |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 07 Nov 2004 22:25 PST |
Nelson, I did not mean to imply that I endorse the use of the word. I was merely speculating about the possible reason why the censors didn't bleep it out. Words which may have sexual connotations are often allowed if the context does not specifically apply to the sexual meaning of such a word. As an example: up until recently, "ass" was permitted on network TV only in the sense of "idiot" or "jackass" (such as "Don't be an ass"), but not as a direct reference to buttocks. This has changed; I've heard quite a few anatomical "ass" remarks this season. Maybe I need to stop watching "Desperate Housewives." ;-) |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 07 Nov 2004 22:42 PST |
Here's an interesting article about the origins of the word "p*ssy" (BEWARE: some vulgar language) http://www.guidemag.com/magcontent/invokemagcontent.cfm?ID=F6D0CFDF-F4A9-4FE6-B94FFA6B12B0422F |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: whyisitso-ga on 07 Nov 2004 22:49 PST |
I think it might be worth noting that the FCC does not list out any specific words that are prohibited: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.html |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: whyisitso-ga on 07 Nov 2004 22:56 PST |
The article from The Guide brought to mind another insult that makes me cringe: "that's gay." At least I haven't heard that phrase used on TV outside of "South Park." Sadly, with the popularity of "reality" shows (and judging by all the anti-gay ballot issues that passed this year), I have a feeling that it too will start being accepted on the airwaves. |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: probonopublico-ga on 07 Nov 2004 23:00 PST |
There's an expression that is used here in Britain that SHOULD be banned: Oh, sugarlumps! Everyone knows that sugar ain't healthy. Can we add that to the list, please? |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: silver777-ga on 08 Nov 2004 03:29 PST |
Hi all, I wonder if Mrs Slocombe of Grace Brothers was aware of political correctness 25 years ago. Her reference to drying her "pussy" in the microwave seemed less offensive and far more humorous than the prancings of Mr Humphries checking inside leg measurements. |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: nelson-ga on 08 Nov 2004 03:48 PST |
Pink, please go ahead and post an answer. The ads on that Guide page alone are worth the money. :-) Regarding "Are you Being Served", I have caught a few episodes on BBC America and was a bit surprised by some of the references. Again, although they were about a cat, the obvious double-entdre would never have been accepted in the U.S. at that time. Another recent (for me) surprise was the episode of "All in the Family" where the gorgeous wife of Archie's old army buddy comes to town. At one point after she has fled after being offended, Archie says something to the effect of it's hard. Figure out for yourself the two possible meanings. Maybe I just have a dirty mind. |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: probonopublico-ga on 08 Nov 2004 03:57 PST |
Of course, Hollywood's film censorship in the late Thirties and beyond used to so ridiculous. |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 08 Nov 2004 10:08 PST |
Nelson, Thank you very much for the five stars and the nice tip! ~pinkfreud |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: johnfrommelbourne-ga on 11 Nov 2004 07:14 PST |
All I can add is please bring back " Are You Being Served" It was hilarious and still makes me laugh when I think about it. Who can forget the greek wedding episode with Mr Humphries dressed in traditional greek clobber. Also bring back 'All in the family" with Archie Bunker; also hilarious and better than anthing curently on mainstream TV. |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: johnfrommelbourne-ga on 11 Nov 2004 07:25 PST |
Try watching Aussie TV. Now even offends me as anything seems to be allowed. Ads are particularly grose. We have the young indian boy who decides his nice warm soft pasta is an ideal substitute to place his penis in and masturbate until he gets caught, back to camera however. We have the the young lady who feels so sexy in her new stockings that she similarly feels compelled to masturbate, camera face on!! Then of course as most Melburnians would know we have the woman on the production line who urinates into a saucepan which is subsequently checked by next woman who she does not like who has to tip each saucepan upside down for some reason only to tip contents all over her front. Lovely eh!! Watching TV with my daughter is now embarrassing. |
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Re: Can They Say That on TV?
From: probonopublico-ga on 11 Nov 2004 08:07 PST |
Wow, John Sounds disgusting! What's gone wrong? All the Best Bryan |
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