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Subject: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
Category: Science > Technology
Asked by: web_dude-ga
List Price: $2.00
Posted: 08 Nov 2004 11:40 PST
Expires: 08 Dec 2004 11:40 PST
Question ID: 426210
Does the gas saving device called SmogBuster really work? Does it
really save you up to 25% or more on your gas mileage, decrease your
toxic emmissions and boost the power and performance of your engine
the way it says it does at http://saveongas.oceancitynetwork.com
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Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: pinkfreud-ga on 08 Nov 2004 11:53 PST
 
In my opinion, this is a multi-level marketing scam.

Here's a description of the product:

"The Smog Buster is a small quarter sized device you put on the
outside and near the bottom of your fuel tank. Tape it on, epoxy it
on; just get it on there. Although not a magnet in itself, it projects
a sound frequency field altering the ordinance of the molecular
structure of each fuel type it is in contact with. They claim that the
chip has a sound energy field that they call a hologram that extends 9
inches into the fuel tank. Metal or plastic does not matter as the
hologram antenna pattern sent out into the fuel tank will penetrate
steel tanks ONE INCH THICK with ease--as they  (OCN) have already
discovered!!!!  What it does is neutralize 32 toxins and up to 79
different harmful components in gasoline or diesel fuel."

http://www.detailshere.com/smogbuster.htm

This is malarkey. The only process going on here is that your money is
being transformed into snake oil.
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: guzzi-ga on 08 Nov 2004 19:32 PST
 
I only add my voice to Ms Pink -- snake oil. If one were to employ
every petrol (gas) saving device on the market, your tank would
generate fuel. Many drivers swear that they do work, but in controlled
conditions virtually all of them have found to be completely
ineffectual. I really do not know how manufacturers avoid prosecution
from flagrant abuse of ?sale of goods? (UK) or the US equivalent.

Best
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: politicalguru-ga on 09 Nov 2004 01:42 PST
 
Looks like an MLM scam to me, too. I would strongly advice against it.
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: clearersky-ga on 18 Nov 2004 13:51 PST
 
I am the biggest skeptic there is until my husband installed the Smog
Buster on my 2003 Focus.  After 10 minutes of the installation I could
not smell anything coming out of the exhaust but clean air, right
before the installation there were fumes and I could not get 10 inches
without smelling the fumes, afterward I got as close as I could to the
exhaust and smelled nothing, not only that my car now drives better
than ever.  My husband has been in MLM for years and have always
critized him for it, not with the Smog Buster it is the greatest
product out there.  Try one, there is a money back guarantee!  You
won't be disappointed.  www.bettercarmileage.com
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: powerline5-ga on 20 Nov 2004 23:04 PST
 
guzzi-ga I am with you. clearersky-ga and pink appear to be peddling
the merchandise and salesman will SELL anyway they can. The only true
solution to improve the air is to car pool and create safer affordable
cars that do not pollute, so until the electric cars stop being of
fashion and become a standard all we can do is car pool, ride our
bikes, walk and hope for the best concering transportation that is..

Being more aware of the other ways to reduce smog is a great idea also.

Anyway if you ask me these salesman are just.... blowing smoke, lol

Thanks,
Crissy
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: powerline5-ga on 20 Nov 2004 23:07 PST
 
I suspect at least 2 of these people might be the same person playing
both good cop and bad cop, lol

Pink I'm sorry if I am wrong, but you dont post links as bad publicity
is good publicity for them. Sadly people are weird like that.
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: techguy77-ga on 27 Nov 2004 17:47 PST
 
The device is real and does have some significant effects on modern
fuels, but there is currently an achilles heel most should know about
before they entice their friends and neighbors into this. If you are
interested, you need to get direct answers on the product failure rate
before you get involved. ...You might find a bit more risk in it than
most ads imply.
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: techguy77-ga on 02 Dec 2004 17:26 PST
 
The 'goose is cooked'! 

...Too many unsubstantiated claims.

Sianara
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: olediehard-ga on 07 Dec 2004 02:26 PST
 
I was talked into buying one of these disc back in September by a friend
that I have great faith in, and had past business dealings. I took it to
my 58 year old neighbor and we installed it on his company Chevy pickup
2004. He has to keep records for his company on gas mileage and such, and
he drives over 150 miles to and from work on a daily basis not including
weekends. Oh! by the way he is the head parts manager of over twenty five
years, with a Tracker Trailer Dealership Company that has been in business
since 1945, and they do from 1/2 million to a 
million a month just in parts to truckers of all variety's. After a month
and a half of testing including emission test. NOTHING. It took me over
two months to get a response from the home company to get my refunds and
to get them to stop taking out monthly withdrawals and cancel my
membership. I had to threaten my bank with closing all of my accounts
before they finally said would I want them to call this company and put me
in contact with them. Well I said if you can do that? You are doing
something I can not and have not been able to do and I could not believe
that they actually got me in contact with a real live person. of which I
was not able to do by email,fax,or phone). Even tried getting my friend
and his up line involved. I am finally getting my money back for two of
the three disc. I have sent back two and still have one to see if the
fairy dust turns straw into gold. For me, it has not worked. My friend
says his has shown some improvement to one of his vehicles. I still think
he believes it has, but I am not sure. It is my opinion that this is not a
good product. No one twisted my arm to try this, I wanted to see for
myself. I take the loss of the original disc as my loss. BUT...it is my
opinion that this will not be a real producer after talking to some of the
people involved that have had no success. It may very well help with
emissions, but it is projected as a fuel saver and performance enhancer,
even though it was developed as a smog buster only. I hope it works for
all who are involved, because it would be great for everyone to have one
on his or her auto. I just wonder now why the inventor did not patent this
and sell it wide open to the world and make all the money, instead of a
pyramid type marking deal out of calf and probably some ones home. Well
that's for those in charge to explain!! For my money I'm going fishing and
use a battery and a trolling motor.. Good Luck and be very careful with
this product, dot your eyes and cross your tees...and remember to say to
yourself over and over again...I believe in fairies, I believe in fairies,
I do, I do, I do.

Oh heck forget it, that didn't work for me either...Have a great
Christmas..
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: admaverick-ga on 05 Jan 2005 19:21 PST
 
My firm has done some extensive investigations on the smog-buster fuel
disk, we have learned that it does have significant effects on the
exhaust from both gas & Diesel engines. As for the effects on fuel
effeciency this is stictly a side effect if seen at all. We have
interviewed several users of the fuel disk and those with older
vehicles and high mileage vehicles seem to see the biggest impact on
fuel mileage. Several users have commented that they previously used
premium fuel but with the fuel disk they have been able to switch to
regular and maintaing the premium performance levels. Our experts have
told us that the cars onboard computers are re-adjusting the fuel mix
once they sense a change in the burn - there-by negating the fuel
savings benefits on many vehicles once the disk has been in place a
few hundred miles. Seems to be an oops that was not taken into account
when the product was initially tested. Product has validity for air
quality and emmissions applications but it seems a bit pricy -
obviously the MLM structure has driven the price up. We did find one
online dealer selling he product for $199 as an introductory offer
gofueldoctor.com.
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: turbomom-ga on 06 Jan 2005 09:42 PST
 
I didn't believe it either, but most new breakthroughs are met with
mockery first, remember Louis Pasteur?
Don't know about gas mileage yet, but it turned my exhaust into sweet
smelling steam on my 10 yr. old Pathfinder in about 10-15 minutes.
If your garage attaches to your house, you could  reduce the toxins
coming in from there over the yrs.  Can you say "cancer"?
I'm interested in what tech guy77 says.  Can you elaborate on the
failure rate & other shortcomings?  Thanks.
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: techguy77-ga on 10 Jan 2005 11:55 PST
 
The failure rate is being attributed to OCN. There are many of these
discs running around out there that are of no value whatsoever.

Do beware, it is hard to tell which work and which don't; and the
costs associated with determining that are solely your responsibility.

Bottom Line -- WAAYYY TOO EXPENSIVE TO HAVE ANY FAILURES!!!
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: skinnyghm-ga on 14 Jan 2005 07:14 PST
 
sure it works :)
I'm as conservative as you can get and don't care about saving gas or
the enviroment. if you want to waste your money on big SUV's or other
gas hog cars go right ahead. the money you're spending in taxes on
each gallon of gas pays for road upkeep for the rest of us, here is
another report that prove this is a pure and simple scam.
http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=6fb76f28-0abe-421a-012c-24646175643a&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf

its alomost as bad as the lotto which is just taxation for the
mathematicly disinclined.
"if a frog had wings he wouldn't have to bump his ass"
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: skinnyghm-ga on 14 Jan 2005 07:17 PST
 
heres another update
try searching for Jim Fobair and see all the scams he has been
involved with or go to http://www.worldwidescam.com/ and see for
yourself
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: techguy77-ga on 01 Feb 2005 09:58 PST
 
Smogbuster is dead, but there is another device that is actually
telling the truth about how both Smogbuster and itself achieve these
results. The BioPro disc is found on the worldwide scam site given in
the preceding post. It accurately identifies the activity of this
phenomenon, as resonant frequency transfers into the fuel. The
puveryors and originators of Smogbuster openly lied to the purchasing
public and deserve the very worst our legal system has to offer them!

For those of you who believed that holographic projection blabber,
I've got some beautiful farm land down in the lower Mississippi delta
you might be interested in! LOL
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: deeljea-ga on 20 Mar 2005 17:58 PST
 
Some of these Gas Saving devices do work, but the savings may be
minimal.  This website provides a good summary of the products that
have been reviewed by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA):
http://save-on-gas-prices.com/gassavingproducts.html
Subject: Re: SmogBuster / Smog Buster Gas Saving Device
From: stevecro-ga on 11 Apr 2005 03:36 PDT
 
This was posted by 9news, the CBS affiliate in Denver Colorado:

I-Team: School of Mines researchers say "smogbuster" worthless gimmick
written by: Ward Lucas (I-Team Reporter)     
Created: 1/13/2005 10:34 PM MST - Updated: 1/14/2005 9:36 AM MST
	

	
			
9NEWS I-Team reporter Ward Lucas exposes the truth about a worthless
sticker being sold for $300 that is supposed to increase fuel
efficiency. 9NEWS at 10 p.m. Jan. 14, 2005.
	
GOLDEN - Watch out for the next 'money-saving' device for your car. It
won't clean the air or improve your mileage, but it might clean out
your checkbook.

The M.P.T. Smogbuster Fuel Disc is the hottest new item being promoted
across the country by the multi-level marketing folks. But a physics
professor at the Colorado School of Mines says it's a waste of money.
The device is a circular piece of plastic about the size of a quarter.
It's promoter, Ocean City Network, is advising its network of
salespeople to begin stocking up on the stickers. They retail for $299
a piece, but are sold at a discount to people who convince others to
sell them to customers down line. Upper level members of the
multi-level-marketing world have to buy a minimum of ten Smogbusters
for about $1,400.

The Smogbuster Fuel Disc is supposed to be taped or glued to the
bottom of your car's gas tank. Its promoters claim it significantly
increases gas mileage and improves air quality. They don't say why it
works, or reveal the mystery behind it. Promoters claim it sends
"holographic frequencies into the gas tank and changes the molecular
structure of the gasoline."

"It doesn't work," says Dr. Terry Parker, a professor at the Colorado
School of Mines. Parker and graduate student John Dane of the
chemistry department tested the device for our I-Team.

"It's clear that it's just a sticker and nothing else," said Dane. The
two scientists did a series of tests on the sticker to see if it
contained any miraculous or unknown technology. Their conclusion was
that it's just hokum. "There's some pretty snazzy marketing trying to
relieve little old ladies from their money and not give them any
value. I would expect that someone is really trying to just make a
fast buck."

Even members of the multi-level-marketing world are skeptical. A web
search of the word "Smogbuster" will pull up a variety of sites where
opinions of the new promotion run the gamut.

Jim Fobair is apparently one of the executives behind Ocean City
Network and the Smogbuster. In the 1990's he faced federal action for
at least two promotions involving pyramid sales. One promotion that
ended up in the federal courts was Omitrition, a diet supplement. A
second promotional item was the so-called 'Laundry CD' or 'Laundry
Disc'. It was a plastic disc filled with blue water that buyers were
supposed to use in their washing machines instead of soap. Fobair made
millions of dollars selling the laundry discs through
multi-level-marketing chains. He ended up being fined about $50,000 by
the Federal Trade Commission.

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