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Disbanding Physics
Category: Science Asked by: michael1776-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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01 Jan 2006 08:19 PST
Expires: 31 Jan 2006 08:19 PST Question ID: 427820 |
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Re: Disbanding Physics
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 05 Jan 2006 02:43 PST Rated: |
Closest to your statement is mentioned in bigraphy of Max Planck: "..The Munich physics professor Philipp von Jolly advised him against going into physics, saying, "in this field, almost everything is already discovered, and all that remains is to fill a few holes." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck In the era before 1900, before the 'revolution in physics' created the 'modern physics : Quantum Mechanics and Relativity it seemed to many that 'classical physics' can explain everything. It was an era of 'calm before a storm'; However, it was never a universal feeling that 'all was dicovered'. Lord Kelvin (whose name was used to name a unit of temperature) was aware of problems which lead to that revolution: "On 27th April 1900, Lord Kelvin gave a lecture to the Royal Institution of Great Britain. The title of the lecture was Nineteenth-Century Clouds over the Dynamical Theory of Heat and Light. Kelvin mentioned, in his characteristic way, that the "beauty and clearness of theory" was overshadowed by "two clouds". He was talking about the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment and the problems of blackbody radiation. In fact, these "two clouds" were to herald the early 20th century revolution in theoretical physics with the emergence of relativity and quantum theory..." http://www.physics.gla.ac.uk/Physics3/Kelvin_online/clouds.htm There are good books in history of physics written by Stephen G. Brush: [ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/103-7594500-8510243?url=index%3Dstripbooks%3Arelevance-above&field-keywords=Stephen+G.+Brush&Go.x=14&Go.y=11 ] Hedgie |
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Re: Disbanding Physics
From: eternal21-ga on 02 Jan 2006 15:38 PST |
Are you sure it was about Physics? Because I heard the same story from the same time, about closing the Patent Office, because all the inventions have already been invented. |
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Re: Disbanding Physics
From: ansel001-ga on 02 Jan 2006 17:51 PST |
I heard the comment in reference to the patent office also. Here are the two versions of that: http://www.internetworld.com/magazine.php?inc=040102/04.01.02ebusiness2.html In 1899, the head of the United States Patent Office, Charles Duell, was credited with arguing to close the Patent Office because "everything that could have been invented, has been invented." Not everyone agrees. Some think he never said that. http://ask.yahoo.com/20050407.html Although we find the statement patently absurd, it sure does pop up everywhere. But it appears to be yet another legend. The story that's most often told is that in 1899 the head of the U.S. Patent Office sent his resignation to President McKinley urging the closing of the office because "everything that could be invented has been invented." It's been told and retold so often that even President Reagan used it in a speech. The "quote" is often attributed to Charles H. Duell, who was Commissioner of Patents in 1899. However, according to The Great Idea Finder, Duell was far from pessimistic about the future of new inventions and patents. He even encouraged Congress to improve the patent system. The Skeptical Inquirer agrees, adding information on another Patent Office commissioner whose statements may have been taken out of context. In a 1843 letter to Congress, Henry L. Ellsworth emphasized the rapid growth in the number of patents and stated that he expected patent activity to increase. Somehow, his statements may have been misconstrued. So why is the statement so widely quoted, er, misquoted? Maybe because it illustrates so well the inaccuracy of predictions or the limitations of the imagination. And that could also be said of those who use it. |
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Re: Disbanding Physics
From: siliconsamurai-ga on 04 Jan 2006 10:04 PST |
Since there were a lot of very interesting problems facing physicists at about the time you refer to, I seriously doubt the claim. I CAN imagine a government bureaucrat making such a dumb statement about patents, but doubt that even a bureaucrat would suggest closing his own agency. If he did, he was probably the first in history to try and talk himself out of an easy government job. (Yes, I know there are some hard government jobs also.) I suspect both statements are legendary. |
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Re: Disbanding Physics
From: doctorscott-ga on 15 Apr 2006 11:28 PDT |
Not so fast! There were some quotes to that effect from around that time. Some are collected at: http://www.amasci.com/weird/end.html The quote you are thinking of may be Michelson's quote given at the dedication of a new laboratory at the University of Chicago in 1894. That quote is sometimes listed as arising from 1899 or 1903; I suspect he reused it, but the 1894 dedication speech is the earliest attribution I can find: "The more important fundamental laws and facts of physical science have all been discovered, and these are now so firmly established that the possibility of their ever being supplanted in consequence of new discoveries is exceedingly remote . . . Our future discoveries must be looked for in the sixth place of decimals." Or you may be thinking of Lord Kelvin's quote from 1900: "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement." I am uncertain as to the provenance of this quote, although it is widely reported. It may well be that it is from the same lecture of Kelvin's that Hedgie cited...I've been unable to find a transcript online. If so, this quote of Kelvin's is generally taken far out of context! Nevertheless it was indeed the case that some late nineteenth century physicists could be simultaneously aware of serious anomalies and yet claim that fundamental physics was nearly complete. --Scott |
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Re: Disbanding Physics
From: hedgie-ga on 16 Apr 2006 00:10 PDT |
doctorscott-ga Thanks for an interesting reference. However, regarding " It may well be that it is from the same lecture of Kelvin's that Hedgie cited.. " I can say, it is not. The famous lecture was published in proceedings of the Royal Society. I have a reprint of that paper and there is nothing like that in it. The spirit of the whole paper is just the opposite. Kelvin presented a whole list (this is from his Collected Works) of unsolved problems in physics, for example The energy balance of the Sun: How can Sun radiate so much energy - for so long- undiminished? Is it comming from meteorites which are falling in? That problem was solved only in 1942 by russian-american physicist Gamov http://www.phy.bg.ac.yu/web_projects/giants/gamow.html Kelvin has a whole list of such questions, none of them being an issue of sixth decimal. I do not think that Kelvin was ambigous about this, so the statement about "sixth place of decimals" is certainly miss-attributed. |
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Re: Disbanding Physics
From: doctorscott-ga on 16 Apr 2006 11:02 PDT |
The "sixth place of decimals" quote is well-documented, and is from Michelson, not Kelvin. I am unable to reconcile the Kelvin quote with his other work; I would guess that it was taken out of context or misattributed. --Scott |
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