Can you check if the following website/companies a scam or not? 
www.horaselektrindo.com
www.supershopinc.com
Thank you!

wezwell...

I would personally shy away from both of these sites, but
I'll let the evidence speak for itself:


www.horaselektrindo.com

Claims to be a "...leading trading companies", but the
whois info on samspade.org indicates that the site was
first created on 28-OCT-2005:
http://www.samspade.org/t/lookat?a=www.horaselektrindo.com


www.supershopinc.com

Claims to be "a USA foregin investment company in Indonesia,
established 1999", but the whois info on samspade.org shows
that the site was first created on 17 Sep 2005. It further
indicates that the registrant, administrator and technical
contact, Sofia Garcia, has a yahoo email address (not a good
sign, when you have a domain such as supershopinc through 
which to receive email), and that the address of this 
contact is 163 Amsterdam Avenue 219, in New York, which 
turns out to be the address of the Luv My Pooch boutique:

Luv My Pooch
163 Amsterdam Avenue #219
New York
www.luvmypooch.com

From:
http://www.cosmicknits.com/locate.php
and
http://www.qpluxury.com/directoryboutiques.asp

Info and address from the SamSpade.org page:
http://www.samspade.org/t/lookat?a=www.supershopinc.com

Sofia does not show up in connection with a search
for this address.


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Additional information may be found from an exploration of
the links resulting from the Google searches outlined below.

Searches done, via Google:

"163 Amsterdam Avenue" 219
://www.google.com/search?q=%22163+Amsterdam+Avenue%22+219

"163 Amsterdam Avenue" 219 Sofia
://www.google.com/search?q=%22163+Amsterdam+Avenue%22+219+Sofia

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Request for Answer Clarification by wezwell-ga on 11 Jan 2006 12:20 PST

The answer for "www.supershopinc.com" is clear. Thank you. 

However, need more information on www.horaselektrindo.com beside the
first date of website creation. Is there any other information that
may support this possibility of scam internet? As perhaps they may
only create the website sometimes last year. Not sure (I may sound
silly but it's possible) but need more information.

Thanks heaps.

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Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 11 Jan 2006 14:59 PST

wezwell...

I have to agree that there is less evidence of an intent
to scam on the horaselektrindo.com site. In its favor,
the phone and fax numbers on the contact page of the
website do match the numbers provided when the site was
registered, as seen in the samspade.org page:

62.6177580400 (FAX) 62.6177580400 on samspade,

and

Phone   +62 61 77580400
Fax     +62 61 77580400

on the website:
http://www.horaselektrindo.com/contact_us/contactus.html


I'm a little put off by the way the registrant is listed.
In addition to the name of the company, only a first name
and last initial are provided:

PT. Horas Elektrindo 
Ronny S
http://www.samspade.org/t/lookat?a=www.horaselektrindo.com

Also, the address of the company differs from Ronny S':

Kompleks Graha Niaga Block C-15
Jl. Kl. Yos Sudarso No.12 Medan 20115
Sumatera Utara ? Indonesia

...is given for the company on the contact page.

Jl. setia budi Gg.sejahtera 88
Meda  Sumatera Utara 20124

...is given for Ronny S on the samspade page.

The address for Ronny S could be his home address,
but I'm also put off by the misspelling. That is,
a search for "Meda Sumatera Utara 20124" turns up
no results:
://www.google.com/search?q=%22Meda+Sumatera+Utara+20124%22

While a search for the correctly spelled address
yields results:

"Medan Sumatera Utara 20124"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22Medan+Sumatera+Utara+20124%22

And, if Ronny is providing his home address as his
contact information, why provide the company's phone
number and not his home phone number?


Finally, there's the fact that the domain name is
only registered for 1 year:

Created on..............: 28-OCT-2005
Expires on..............: 28-OCT-2006

This suggests the very real possibility that this
is someone who plans to disappear after only 1 year
of activity, though, of course, it's possible that
budgetary considerations have prevailed and they 
plan to renew annually.

Perhaps none of these things, alone, would put me
off entirely, but taken together, they make me nervous.

sublime1-ga

Clearly explained. Really appreciate it. Thank you!

I would say... yes.. Indonesian Companies do not use inc.  and they
also do not give you any good contact #'s....  I would stay away from
this

wezwell...

Thanks very much for the rating!

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