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Color of our world.
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: benjaminpearson-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
10 Jan 2006 23:39 PST
Expires: 09 Feb 2006 23:39 PST Question ID: 431912 |
I was reading the following article, and thinking about how we see the world. http://www.puplife.com/dogcaretips/howdogsseecolors.html The article is about how dogs cannot differentiate things as clearly as we can because they do not have the same color receptors. So for a dog a yellow ball on green grass seems like a green ball on green grass and is harder to see. Do other animals have the capability to see more colors than we can and if so what would that be like? Has there been any reasearch on this> | |
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Re: Color of our world.
From: myoarin-ga on 11 Jan 2006 04:15 PST |
Ben, Here are a couple of sites that discuss the subject. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/zoo00/zoo00274.htm http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/vision.html http://webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/17.html http://www.answers.com/topic/color-vision-1 http://www.bio.bris.ac.uk/research/vision/4d.htm You can find many more with a search for: animal color vision Cheers |
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Re: Color of our world.
From: orngu10-ga on 11 Jan 2006 07:08 PST |
There's been a ton of interesting research into this. Many animals can see more colors than we can, the most common color being ultraviolet (insects and sone birds) and less commonly infrared (pit vipers). An animal may also be able to discriminate between colors that look the same to us on account of their having more/different color receptors---honeybees can discriminate between many colors that look "yellow" to us, for instance. Insofar as the number of different color receptor types determines color discrimination ability, the winner in the animal kingdom is (drumroll please)... the mantis shrimp (10 receptors versus 3 in humans). This is a gross generalization, however, as birds (which usually have 4-5 receptor types) possess oil droplets in their eyes that further enhance their color discrimination. Also, it's not just how many receptor types you have, but what the specific wavelengths are they respond best to. For instance, recent research has shown that people with red-green colorblindness can discriminate between some colors that normal people can't (these appear "khaki" to us: http://www.nature.com/news/2005/051205/full/051205-1.html). One more aside: many animals are also adept at sensing not just the color of light but also whether or not the light is polarized. I can personally attest to the fact that humans, too, are capable of seeing polarized light, but it takes a few minutes of practice to get the hang of it(search for "Haidinger's brush" for more info). |
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Re: Color of our world.
From: edejl-ga on 11 Jan 2006 09:29 PST |
Also, we don't know, and probably never will know, does one person see colours the same as another? For example, you could see grass as green, but someone else could see grass as pink (or rather what you see as pink) but because you've always been told that this 'green' (pink) is called green, you will call it that when you see the colour of grass. |
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Re: Color of our world.
From: vinsvixen2-ga on 11 Jan 2006 23:05 PST |
WOW! edejl, i had never thought of that before. Interesting idea! |
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Re: Color of our world.
From: manuka-ga on 11 Jan 2006 23:49 PST |
I think you're right that this does happen, edejl (though not to the extent of green to pink!) - there are some shades that my wife and I see differently, mostly around the blue/green border or the pink/orange one. I don't think it's so much a matter of linguistic confusion (you've always been told this colour is blue so you think that's what "blue" means) as it is of perception. We get enough examples of each different colour to have a good understanding, and it will be more or less the same as everyone else's. But some objects that are near a colour boundary could appear differently to different people. Normally an object is reflecting several different colours that mix together to form the colour we see; the colour that gets to your brain is going to depend on how well your eyes detect each component, and that could well differ from one person to another. |
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Re: Color of our world.
From: myoarin-ga on 12 Jan 2006 05:30 PST |
Quite right, Manuka. From what I have read, there are two slightly different genes for red vision, whereby males can only have one type but females can have one and/or the other; thus women may see red (and related hues) differently from individual men and maybe more intensely. Furthermore, it has been discovered that a few females have a forth type of sight nerve that is sensitive to yellow. (Sorry, I can't give sources.) A girl who went to Oxford University once told me that Oxford Blue is the color labeled "teal green" on an(the?) English list of colors that predates computers. Incidentally, the wierd thing is that not colors but wave lengths enter our eye, and our nerves and brain interpret the result as colors. Cheers, Myoarin |
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Re: Color of our world.
From: thither-ga on 14 Jan 2006 19:42 PST |
In regard to edejl's comment: while perhaps theoretically possible, I think we would have found out if this were actually happening in reality. A person who saw grass as pink would have a differently ordered spectrum in their mind and thus would have incongruous ideas about things like similar colors. For instance, they would say that green (our pink) is similar to red, which wouldn't make sense. Right? Have a good day. |
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Re: Color of our world.
From: edejl-ga on 18 Jan 2006 09:14 PST |
No, I think some of you have misunderstood or not realised to the full extent; it is a widely recognised biological...wonderment. You can never know, at least today, because there is no way of describing colour if all your colours are different. If you say its quite dark, then you could have been told what dark is. I'm finding it hard to explain. If their green is our pink then their red will not be similar to green (pink) because their red will be different as well. |
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Re: Color of our world.
From: thither-ga on 25 Jan 2006 16:53 PST |
Hello again. I do understand what you were saying and agree that we will never "know for sure" that this is not the case. My example was just meant to illustrate that there's no substantial reason to believe this is actually happening. For example, we could be living in "The Matrix" but would you actually want to base your life on this belief? Also, as to "dark" I would argue that we can base colors on this concept. If I put you in a lightless room and say to you that what you are sensing (well, actually not sensing) is "dark" and then ask you to name 5 colors which you find similar to dark I would expect answers such as navy, dark purple, etc. If you answered yellow I would be suspicious. Have a good day. |
| Subject:
Lusher Color Test
From: caymanuk-ga on 31 Jan 2006 18:25 PST |
Being "color blind" not that bad since one is still seeing the most important dimension of color: value. A B&W movie is all value. Add "hue" and "saturation" and you have a movie in color. Add value to red and you have pink. Same hue but different value. In 1969 psychologist Max Lusher developed a color test to measure personality differences. Popular book with folks wandering around asking friends to place colors in order of preference. Guess what, worked just as well with the color blind. Kids like high values and older folks like lower valued colors. Value is where its at. But would miss the rest. |
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