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Subject:
life insurance funds/ college funds for grandchildren
Category: Business and Money > Finance Asked by: rintin-ga List Price: $150.00 |
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22 Nov 2004 17:55 PST
Expires: 22 Dec 2004 17:55 PST Question ID: 432612 |
My son-in-law isn't the brightest bulb and he is very stubborn. He wants to set up a life insurance fund for their child, due Dec. 5th. My gut says life insurance funds are not the way to go, but I would like an easy to understand explanation to give him as to why that isn't the best way to save money for the child. But what is the best, or a better, way to set up any kind of fund for your children/grand children? Something easy for him (and me) to understand. The "parents" have very limited income, my husband and I can, and do, contribute to them financially as needed, but we have not designated any specific amount of money for grandchildren yet. The son-in-law is not planning for us to start or specifically contribute to this life insurance. We would just continue helping them out here and there, as we have been for the past 5 years. They can do what they want/need with our financial assistance. This is the first grandchild, of course I don't know what future children may be involved. | |
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Re: life insurance funds/ college funds for grandchildren
From: frde-ga on 23 Nov 2004 02:22 PST |
It cannot be a straight 'Life Insurance' policy - that is something that pays out if the nipper dies. |
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Re: life insurance funds/ college funds for grandchildren
From: 4keith-ga on 24 Nov 2004 10:20 PST |
Talk to a certified financial planner and they can guide you in the right direction. Life insurance is a good idea but the bad part is that someone has to die before it is collected. Many financial planning books suggest that saving money (by regularly and consistently depositing various amounts--tens, hundreds of dollars or whatever you can afford) in a money market account or mutual fund account would accumulate substantially over 18 years (if we assume the money is being saved for kids to go to college it will take about 18 years before they are ready to go to college) and might even double or triple in value and would be worth anywhere from $20,000 to $100,000 or more because of compounding. If it were me I would have a mix of life insurance premiums and money market account. 4KEITH (I'm NOT a GOOGLE Researcher) |
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Re: life insurance funds/ college funds for grandchildren
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 26 Nov 2004 08:38 PST |
I highly recomend a Coverdell Education Savings Account (formerly Education IRA). -You can contribute up to $2000 yearly ($167 per month or less of course) -It will earn interest (varying with the type of investment) -It can be used on any primary or secondary education (chosen by you.. the donor) -It can be used for 1 or for multiple people should you have more grandchildren in the future -The money is tax free when withdrawn assuming it is used for education If you can invest $100 per month into this type of account then assuming 10% interest (a moderately risky rate, but fairly safe considering you have 18 years to grow your money) then your contributions would total $21,600 over 18 years, but the account with interest will have grown to $45,600 (more than doubling your money) Here is a site comparing this and other plans, and has a link to enroll should you choose to do so with this organization. http://www.theeducationplan.com/learn/529optionsComparison.shtml As others have stated, someone does have to die in order to collect anything from life insurance. If they are expecting to die then it's unlikely that anyone would insure that person, and if they're not expecting to die then investing is most likely going to have better returns than insurance. |
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Re: life insurance funds/ college funds for grandchildren
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 26 Nov 2004 08:42 PST |
Terribly sorry, I had bad math skills in my last post that I just caught... "but the account with interest will have grown to $45,600 (more than doubling your money)" That value should be $54,700. Here is a calculator should you want to check for other values or interest rates. The tax rate will be 0% should you use the money for education. http://www.tcalc.com/tvwww.dll?Save |
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Re: life insurance funds/ college funds for grandchildren
From: alex101-ga on 28 Nov 2004 08:00 PST |
Life insurance as an investment is less advantageous than other investments primarily because of the costs involved. With life insurance, whether whole-life or variable-universal-life, or others, you are paying for life insurance in addition to the investment. The problem is that your investment will be smaller because it costs more than if you keep your apples apples and your oranges oranges. If you want life insurance, buy life insurance. If you want an investment, don't make it more expensive than it has to be. Separating the life insurance from the investment will almost certainly be cheaper for both than mixing them together. And yes, I know the life insurance salesperson will disagree but all it takes is to write the alternatives out side by side to see and to remember where their bread is buttered. A "fee for service" certified investment planner wouldn't have anything to gain by pushing any particular type of investment. If you want an investment for the grandkids, take a look at these better alternatives: 1. Coverdell Savings Account (Education IRA): $2,000/yr. tax deferred. 2. 529 Plan: Look at www.vanguard.com or www.troweprice.com for some excellent examples. You can invest not only tax deferred but, if the money is taken out for education related expenses, they don't pay tax on the earnings either. With a 529 plan, you also keep control over the money which is a plus. 3. There are also State Pre-Paid Tuition Plans which can be a good deal for many. Good luck with son-in-law. I have 529 plans for my kids and I have life insurance. I looked at Variable Universal Life and the other options but their costs were higher. It's the cost that killed it for me. |
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