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For Pinkfreud: Flat Earth concept and oceans
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: monroe22-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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12 Jan 2006 18:20 PST
Expires: 11 Feb 2006 18:20 PST Question ID: 432695 |
We are told that prior to the Columbus and Magellan voyages, most persons believed the Earth was flat. It is true that some Greek philosophers said the Earth was a sphere. In any event, if one thought Columbus would sail off the edge of the Earth, why didn't they reason the oceans would drain off the edges long before Columbus? In other words, did they believe in a magic wall which contained the oceans which could nonetheless be penetrated by a puny wooden ship? |
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Re: For Pinkfreud: Flat Earth concept and oceans
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 12 Jan 2006 19:19 PST Rated: ![]() |
It's great to hear from you again, Monroe! Thanks for asking for me. Regarding the matter of flat-earthers and the oceans, from what I've read, things usually come down to one of two explanations: 1. It's a miracle. 2. The earth is not totally flat, but is slightly concave, like a shallow bowl, with walls at the edge that hold the water in. I've gathered some online info for you. "[Martin] Luther believed that the oceans were higher than the land, and that it was a perpetual miracle that they did not flood the land. Behind this lies a belief that the surface of the earth-water globe is circular but that gravity acts as if the earth were flat." Pages of Norman Swartz: The Myth of the Flat Earth http://www.sfu.ca/philosophy/swartz/flat_earth.htm "While flat-Earthers know that the ocean is really just a large bowl, (with great sheets of ice around the edges to hold the ocean back), and the atmosphere is contained by a large dome, the backwards 'round-Earth' way of thinking would have you believe that all those trillions of gallons of water and air just 'stick' to the planet's surface." The Flat Earth Society: Why a Flat Earth? http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatWhyFlat.htm It should be kept in mind that not everyone in earlier times believed that the earth was flat. Here are some interesting articles on the subject: Bede's Library: The Myth of the Flat Earth http://www.bede.org.uk/flatearth.htm LewRockwell.com: The Flat Earth Myth http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods46.html The Biblical Creation Society: The Scandalous "Flat Earth" Myth http://www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/educational_issues/bcs105.html Strange Horizons: Modern Medieval Map Myths http://www.strangehorizons.com/2002/20020610/medieval_maps.shtml I'll close with a wonderful bit of dialogue from Edgar Rice Burroughs' "The Moon Men": " 'You think the earth is flat.' 'And who is there that does not think so? Can we not see that it is flat? Look about you-it is like a large, round, flat cake.' 'With land in the center and water all round the land?' he asked. 'Of course.' 'What keeps the water from running off the edge?' he wanted to know. I had never thought about that, and so I returned the only answer that I could think of at the time. 'The Flag, of course,' I said. 'Do not be a fool, my brother,' said Rain Cloud. 'You are a great warrior and a mighty chief; you should be wise, and the wise man knows that nothing, not even the Flag, can keep water from running down hill if it is not confined.' 'Then it must be confined,' I argued. 'There must be land to hold the water from running over the edge of the world.' 'And what is beyond that land?' 'Nothing,' I replied confidently. 'What do the hills stand on? What does the earth stand on?' 'It floats on a great ocean,' I explained. 'With hills around it to keep its water from running over its edge?' 'I suppose so.' 'And what upholds that ocean and those hills?' he went on. 'Do not be foolish,' I told him. 'I suppose there must be another ocean below that one.' 'And what holds it up?' I thought he would never stop. I do not enjoy thinking about such useless things." Project Gutenberg of Australia: The Moon Men http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks05/0500221h.html My Google search strategy: Google Web Search: flat earth oceans ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=flat+earth+oceans Best always, Pink |
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rated this answer:![]() Pink: As always, you excel. ( I have been absent briefly because of computer glitch.) Hope you are well. Monroe22 |
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Re: For Pinkfreud: Flat Earth concept and oceans
From: pugwashjw65-ga on 12 Jan 2006 19:55 PST |
In the Bible, in the book of Isaiah, written by the prophet Isaiah, in Jerusalem, in 732 B.C.E., at chapter 40, verse 22: 22 There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell, 23 the One who is reducing high officials to nothing, who has made the very judges of the earth as a mere unreality". "THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH". The ancient world, through the scriptures, knew that the earth was round. The Phoenecian seamen knew it. It gave them the confidence to circumnavigate Africa and they may well have made it to the Americas. It was 'orgainised religion' that kept the information hidden from most of the ordinary people of the day. It was they who promoted the ' flat earth' idea, to keep secret what we all now know is simple goegraphy. The world is a ball. Just as it says at Job 26; 7 He is stretching out the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing; An exact description of what the earth looks like from space. Makes you think Eh!. |
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Re: For Pinkfreud: Flat Earth concept and oceans
From: pinkfreud-ga on 12 Jan 2006 20:01 PST |
Monroe22, Thank you very much for the kind words, the five stars, and the generous tip! May your glitches be few, and your bugs be "features." :-) ~Pink |
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Re: For Pinkfreud: Flat Earth concept and oceans
From: pinkfreud-ga on 12 Jan 2006 20:31 PST |
Pugwash, You might want to read the articles linked above that are related to the "flat earth" myth. There's some interesting material there. ~Pink |
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Re: For Pinkfreud: Flat Earth concept and oceans
From: thx1138-ga on 13 Jan 2006 07:27 PST |
"Stephen Hawking in A Brief History Of Time starts with the anecdote. A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down." http://www.the-funneled-web.com/Hawking.htm |
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