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Learning Latin
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: reneeq-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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14 Jan 2006 13:36 PST
Expires: 13 Feb 2006 13:36 PST Question ID: 433426 |
If someone was to do a crash course on learning to read and write Latin, what would a reasonable time frame be? I am writing a novel and I want to have a character in 5th Century Britain do this but I need to know if it's logically possible or not. Would 4 - 6 months be appropriate? |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: hardtofindbooks-ga on 14 Jan 2006 15:09 PST |
Hi I would have thought the first question shoud be whether and how much Latin should appear in the book at all. Some food for thought: http://www.booksincanada.com/article_view.asp?id=3394 http://home.usaa.net/~kimheadlee/writing.htm#Languages Secondly, do you need to know the language yourself, it might be easier to have someone else with the requisite skills do this job for you. This might be especially necessary should specialist knowledge be required, if for instance you needed to know the difference between classical written Latin and that spoken in 5th century Britain, as these are very advanced subjects and unlikely to be obvious to the beginning learner. This returns us to the thought though, that if not obvious, even to someone with some knowledge, how much does the average reader need to know. Probably the premier expert on British Latin of this period is David Howlett article: http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba33/ba33feat.html#howlett you might like to try and find his Cambro-Latin Compositions: Their Competence and Craftsmanship at a library. You could approach your local universities or colleges that teach Latin for advice both on self study, courses offered and assistance from experts. Introductory courses may be offered in your area as evening classes. Here are some recommendations for self study with explanations at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania/fullview/21KWP6ECZGD5S/104-4957534-4472735?%5Fencoding=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/57PUYHV9R1YH/ref=cm_bg_guides/104-4957534-4472735 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/NYQFU14WM36L/ref=cm_bg_guides/104-4957534-4472735 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/230X0SHCMTWDG/ref=cm_bg_guides/104-4957534-4472735 a list of Latin resources on the web http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/Latin/resources.html but realistically I don't know how much you are going to be able to pick up in 4-6 months, especially given that you will no doubt be involved in other activities, and researching other aspects of the writing. Good luck. |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: reneeq-ga on 14 Jan 2006 15:51 PST |
Actually, my question is: is it reasonable to assume that a person in 5th Century Britain could learn to read and write basic Latin in 4-6 months if that was all they did? I am trying to decide whether that is reasonable for a character I am developing. Thanks! |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: geof-ga on 14 Jan 2006 16:30 PST |
I would have thought the short answer is "yes" - after all, with application, most Brits these days could get a working knowledge of most European languages, including Latin, in 4 to 6 months. (In fact, Latin is not such a difficult language.) However, one point for your consideration is that the vast majority of Brits in the 5th century - including even upper class people - would have been illiterate in any language. So you had better have your character well educated, and reading & writing English, to begin with; and obviously you should have some plausible way of him/her learning Latin, as I doubt if there were many language schools back then. |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: reneeq-ga on 14 Jan 2006 20:11 PST |
Thank you. |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: myoarin-ga on 15 Jan 2006 06:29 PST |
I agree with Geof, as usual. This site might interest you - or scare you, if it doesn't fit with your concepts of the language situation in England at that time: http://www.peak.org/~jeremy/dictionary/chapters/history.php Note that the first Anglo-Saxon writing found is from that time and in runic letters. As Geof points out, your man would have been very unlikely to read or write his native language. I think he could learn to understand and speak Latin in four to six months by "total immersion", but you are going to need a scenario to provide for this. It is too early to have a monastery in England where he could learn it from the monks, though in theory, perhaps he could in Ireland at that time. But as an illiterate person, I see no chance of his learning to read, let alone write, Latin, even very poorly. I hope this information doesn't upset your plot. Regards, Myoarin |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: reneeq-ga on 15 Jan 2006 09:33 PST |
To the contrary, it gives me additional food for thought. I wanted my character to be able to read the Letter to the Soldiers of Coroticus written by Patrick in the early 5th Century. I will check out the site you gave me. Thank you! |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: reneeq-ga on 15 Jan 2006 09:35 PST |
One additional thought - I planned to have my character study Latin with Ninian of Candida Casa fame in Whithorn. It wasn't a monastery quite yet but he did possibly have some other priests with him there. |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: myoarin-ga on 15 Jan 2006 12:17 PST |
I am reassured, having been afraid that you might be out of touch with the times (I only learned through your question). Here a bit about Ninian for others: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11084a.htm |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: reneeq-ga on 15 Jan 2006 14:00 PST |
I think I may have to re-think my plot, as the character I have in mind to learn Latin is actually a girl! Perhaps instead I will have a priest attached somehow in the neighborhood of Dumbarton, Strathclyde, where Coroticus lived (when he wasn't out raiding!)Thanks again for your help. |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: geof-ga on 15 Jan 2006 15:29 PST |
I just looked back at this thread, as I saw that the number of comments had grown to nine. It's funny, but I thought you might have a girl in mind as being the character learning Latin - like making it difficult for yourself, don't you? I wouldn't worry too much about getting the historical facts right -after all, those were the Dark Ages, and nobody's very sure what was going on.(Though possibly Scotland was a little more enlightened than down here, south of the border.) |
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Re: Learning Latin
From: reneeq-ga on 15 Jan 2006 15:48 PST |
Thanks again! |
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