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Subject: How much force is needed to tip properly installed parking meter?
Category: Science > Technology
Asked by: sapien128-ga
List Price: $60.00
Posted: 14 Jan 2006 21:03 PST
Expires: 13 Feb 2006 21:03 PST
Question ID: 433560
My question is regarding the amount of force it would require to push
over a properly installed parking meter.  I am concerned about a
particular parking meter that is tipped to an angle of 20 degrees, and
it is my premise that this unit was never properly installed.

The assumptions of the meter and mounting as specified by town planning, are:
THE METER:
1)  The meter is manufactured by P.O.M., model N-APM, and set on a
Twin Adaptor #300-326.  This meter has a total height of 24 inches.
THE POST:
2)  The post is 2 inch ID Galvanized Steel Pipe Post extending 37
inches up from grade to the bottom of the meter.
THE LOCATION OF FORCE:
3)  The distance from the bottom of the meter to the large round part
of the meter head, where I expect that the force would have been
applied, is 20 inches.  This 20 inches added to the height of the
37-inch post means that the force was applied a total of 57 inches
above grade.
EARTH COVERING:
4)  At grade there will be a depth of 4 inches of topsoil covering the
top of the concrete footing.
POST INTO CONCRETE:
5)  The concrete footing begins 4 inches below grade and the steel
pipe post is embedded into the concrete to a depth of 12 inches.
THE FOOTING:
6)  The dimensions of the concrete footing are 14 inches diameter, and
3 foot 2 inches deep, below the 4 inch layer of top soil, requiring
that a footing hole be dug a total of 3 foot 6 inches deep.
7)  The footing will be made of 3000 PSI, concrete.
I have already calculated that the volume of this cylinder of concrete
is 0.125 yards^3 and has a weight of 451.8 lbs, based on a cured
weight of concrete at 3600 lbs./ yard^3.  You can recheck these
calculations.

When applying this unknown amount of force there are several things
that could happen.
1)   The meter could break off the top of the post.  I guess this to
be very unlikely as P.O.M. would have engineered its casing to be very
strong to prevent this.
2)   The steel post could bend or break at its base.  I think that
this is what will happen as there are other parking meters in my town
that have their post?s bent over.
3)   The steel post could break out of the cement footing.  I think
this is unlikely.  I have seen no examples of this in town.
4)   The entire cement footing could shift in the earth allowing the
meter to tip.  In this one case the meter appears to have shifted in
the earth.  It is my premise that the footing used to install this
meter was not to specification depth or weight.

An assumption to be made is about the typical earth here in Western
MA.  I do not know how to specify this.  Please tell me whatever
assumption is made.

ANSWERS REQUESTED:
1)  Where will the system fail and how?  The meter?  The pipe?  The
footing?  A combination of these parts?
2)  What would be the amount of force needed to bend the steel post to
an angle of 20 degrees?
3)  What would be the amount of force needed to shift the cement
footing in the earth so that the resulting angle of the meter would
shift to 20 degrees?
4)  If the cement footing is calculated to break, how much force would
this require?
5)  Depending on which parts, or what combination of parts, are
calculated to fail, how much force will be required to tip the meter
to angle of 20 degrees from vertical?

I think that this is mostly a Civil Engineering problem.  What I want
to know is how much force the meter will withstand, and where it will
fail when this force is exceeded.

As above, it is my guess is that the pipe will bend at the footing and
that it will require in excess of 1000 pounds of force for this to
happen.  I don't think that the footing will break or shift in the
earth but I do not know enough about the fracture characteristics of
cement or about soil science to calculate this.

Please provide how you calculated the answers.

Please feel free to ask for any other clarifications needed.  Thanks.

Request for Question Clarification by redhoss-ga on 16 Jan 2006 08:18 PST
I understand your question and what you are looking for. I can do
calculations to determine the bending strength of the 2 inch pipe and
the overturning resistance of the footing. There are several things
that prevent me from attempting an answer.
1. I just talked with a tech person from POM. They do not sell the 2
inch pipe, but do recommend schedule 40. So, there is no assurance
that the pipe in question is schedule 40.
2. I agree with the comment made by myoarin-ga that "most likely a
vehicle pushed it over". If this is true, then the force would be
applied at bumper height and not at 57 inches.
3. Footing calculations depend greatly on soil properties. I don't
think that you could prove anything without testing the soil right
where the meter is located.
4. I can calculate the force required to bend the 2 inch pipe. If this
force continued to be applied, the pipe would continue to bend. The 20
degree bend would be a force applied through a distance which is known
as work (which can also be calculated). However, it seems to me that
this number would be meaningless.
5. I seriously doubt that the pipe would break out of the 14 inch
diameter footing, but since there is probably no steel reinforcing in
the footing it could have cracked.

Does any of this make any sense to you. If we can make the question a
little more simple, I might be able to help.

Clarification of Question by sapien128-ga on 19 Jan 2006 01:29 PST
To answer point 1) from redhoss:
Please assume that the meter is installed correctly and then calculate
the forces required for it to shift in various ways, the meter
snapping off the pipe, the pipe bending, the cement fracturing, or the
footing shifting in the earth.  The lowest of these forces can then be
estimated to be the one that will occur if the meter is properly
installed and adequate force is applied.  If the actual meter has
shifted in some other way, then it can be stated that that
characteristic of its installation was inadequate.  For example, if
you calculate that the entire footing would shift in the earth before
the 2-inch schedule 40 pipe would bend, and the pipe has bent, then it
would then be reasonable to say that the town did not use the
specification pipe.

To answer point 2) from redhoss:
The assertion I am trying to prove is that it is not possible for a
person to push over a parking meter if it is properly installed.  A
person would try to push the meter over at the highest point that they
could, as I have calculated, 57 inches off the ground.

To answer point 3) from redhoss:
I have gone to the Department of Agriculture and I have gotten the
following description about the soil in that location:  This soil is
characterized to be, Pd-Paxton-Charlton-Urban land complex, as taken
from the Soil Survey of Hampshire County, Massachusetts, Central part.
 Since I can?t believe that any town would do individual soil surveys
for each parking meter they installed, they would rely on their
standard footing detail to assure that all parking meters installed in
their township would be secure.  The question to be calculated is
then, would the entire footing shift if the soil meets this
specification?  If the pipe were calculated to bend first, and indeed
what has happened in this particular case is that the footing has
shifted, then one would then have to argue that the footing as-built
did not meet specification, or that that the soil in that particular
location was below predicted load-bearing strength.

To answer point 4) from redhoss:
I agree that calculating work is not useful.  The reason that I
provide the 20-degree final angle is as a boundary parameter in case
two failures occur simultaneously.  For example, could it happen that
the pipe would bend 15 degrees and the footing would shift in the
earth 5 degrees resulting the total 20 degree angle?

To answer point 5) from redhoss:
Please calculate the amount of force required to crack the pipe out of
the 14? diameter 3000 PSI concrete footing.  If this force is less
than the amount of force required to bend the pipe then it will not
occur.  If this were the failure that has occurred in reality, it
would then be safe to state that there was something inadequate about
the concrete footing as-built.


Finally, I have copied the USDA description of the
Paxton-Charlton-Urban land complex for you to use.  You can
cross-reference this as needed:

Pd-Paxton-Charlton-Urban land complex.
This unit consists of deep, gently sloping or moderately sloping soils
and areas covered by buildings, sidewalks, parking lots, roads, and
railroads.  The unit is on hills and ridges that are periodically
dissected by small waterways. The areas are irregular in shape or
rectangular and range from 20 to 100 acres. They are about 40 percent
well drained Paxton soils, 20 percent well drained Charlton soils, 20
percent urbanized, and 20 percent other soils. The Paxton and Charlton
soils and the urbanized areas are so intricately mixed that it was not
practical to map them separately.

Typically, the Paxton soils have a surface layer of friable, very dark
grayish brown fine sandy loam about 7 inches thick. The subsoil is
friable fine sandy loam 19 inches thick. It is dark yellowish brown in
the upper 2 inches, light olive brown in the next 10 inches, and olive
brown in the lower 7 inches. The substratum is fine sandy loam to a
depth of 60 inches or more. It is firm and olive brown in the upper 10
inches and very firm and dark grayish brown in the lower part.

Typically, the Charlton soils have a surface layer of very friable,
dark brown fine sandy loam about 7 inches thick. The subsoil is
friable and is 15 inches thick. It is yellowish brown fine sandy loam
in the upper 6 inches and light olive brown gravelly fine sandy loam
in the lower 9 inches. The substratum is firm, olive gravelly sandy
loam to a depth of 60 inches or more.

Included with this complex in mapping are small areas of poorly
drained and very poorly drained soils, nearly level soils, and steep
soils.

Permeability is moderate in the subsoil and slow or very slow in the
substratum of the Paxton soils. It is moderate or moderately rapid in
the Charlton soils. Available water capacity is low in the Paxton
soils and moderate in the Charlton soils. The root zone in the Paxton
soils extends into the subsoil and is restricted by the firm
substratum. The root zone in the Charlton soils extends into the
substratum. A seasonal high water table in the Paxton soils is perched
above the substratum for brief periods during winter and spring and
after prolonged rains. Reaction ranges from strongly acid to slightly
acid in the Paxton soils and from very strongly acid to medium acid in
the Charlton soils.

Most areas of these soils have been developed for homesites and small
buildings. A few areas are wooded, and a few areas are in parks.

A lack of open space makes areas of this unit poorly suited or
unsuited to farming and woodland.

The seasonal perched water table limits the Paxton soils as a building
site and the slow or very slow permeability as a site for septic tank
absorption fields. The Charlton soils have essentially no limitations
for homesites or septic tank absorption fields.

This unit is not assigned to a capability subclass.
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Comments  
Subject: Re: How much force is needed to tip properly installed parking meter?
From: myoarin-ga on 15 Jan 2006 05:26 PST
 
Greetings,
I am wondering why this is such an important matter, but that is your business.
I would have thought that it relatively easy to discover if the pipe
has bent in the earth covering the cement foot, or to see if it is
also tilted.

My assumption is, if the meter was properly "planted", it would take
more than manpower to tilt it and that most likely a vehicle pushed it
over.  In most cases, this would leave marks on the galvanized pipe,
something I expect you have already looked for.
In agreement with you, therefore, I suspect that the meter was
improperly installed, that the earth was not properly tamped down
around the cement foot.  Perhaps the hole drilling equipment normally
makes this unnecessary, drilling a hole just the diameter of the foot,
but in this case the hole was bigger, maybe due to hitting a rock or
from removing rocks from the side of the hole and leaving a gap that
could allow the meter to tilt  - or be tilted with little effort. 
(Any kids in your area who swing around parking meters?)

But this bit of speculation does not answer your five questions, AND,
of course, this is just a free comment and not an "answer" to your
Question, which only a G-A Researcher with a blue name can post.

I hope one does, Myoarin
Subject: Re: How much force is needed to tip properly installed parking meter?
From: eestudent-ga on 05 Feb 2006 12:41 PST
 
I think that the correct way to answer the question is "what force is
required to upturn the concrete bedding of the parking meter", because
if the PIPE was bent, you should see the bend point above ground. If
it indeed was installed incorrectly , or an environmental effect that
softened the earth, then the entire post with concrete attached will
turn instead.

However, it looks like you are in a legal matter. Such matters can be
presented to court only from an expert, and I doubt that answers here
will be more that just a way to decide whether to pursue the matter or
not.

I would suggest looking for signs that the pipe was bent. If it wasn't
then an environmental effect is a plausible suspect, as an
installation with 20 degree inclination is hard to imagine.

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