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Why do photographs seem so real?
Category: Science Asked by: viz_think-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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24 Nov 2004 13:34 PST
Expires: 24 Dec 2004 13:34 PST Question ID: 433596 |
Why do photographs seem so real? In particular, if you take a picture of yourself and put a push pin through one of your eyes in the picture, you will feel a definite twinge in your stomach. This doesn't seem to happen at all or not nearly, to the same extent with a drawing. Both photos and drawings have many distortions from "reality" or what one would see, say, looking into a mirror. What perceptual cues cause photos to have more "reality" impact than other forms of visual representation? |
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Re: Why do photographs seem so real?
From: barkley-ga on 24 Nov 2004 21:01 PST |
An interesting observation or insight. Black and White images appear to me to look more "real" than colour images. I think perhaps by not having any colour they are acknowleging their "unrealness" and thus are accepted by the brain as being more genuine in a strange way. Black and white images always hold more depth is some strange fashion. I also find it strange that "real" oil paintings (from pre photographic times) seem more real that reality (in colour). This I think is because they are created by a human mind and therefore are an outer projection of an inner perception, that when reflected (in the picture) back into a persons mind ... somehow gets amplifed (the reverse of a photocopy of a photocopy) and appears more real than reality. You are also seeing "reality" through another persons mind. |
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Re: Why do photographs seem so real?
From: lukerward-ga on 26 Nov 2004 18:16 PST |
When I read your question, I think of how the eyes of a person in a photograph seem to follow you around the room. If this is what you are wondering about, it is because of the whites of the eyes. If you have a friend stand motionless looking straight ahead, and then walk around him observing his eyes, you will clearly see that he is not looking at you because the amount of white you can see from different angles changes as you walk around him. However, if he were to follow you with his eyes, there would be an approximately equal amount of white space on both sides as his eyes move. Similarly, in a photograph, the amount of white space never changes because it is on paper and is 2d. Therefore, no matter where you go in the room, you can always see white space on both sides of the eye, reminding your brain of what someone looks like as they follow you with their eyes. This also works for a photograph of someone who is looking left, right, down, or up. You will never find a place in the room where it looks like they are looking at you in this case. |
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Re: Why do photographs seem so real?
From: tutuzdad-ga on 26 Nov 2004 18:28 PST |
I would imagine it has something to do with the symbolism (whether you consciously realize it or not). You might get the same effect if you were to shoot your reflection in a mirror with a gun, or perhaps vicariously when you see the image of someone you hold in high regard (even though it doesn't necessarily represent that person in terms of visual accuracy) burned in effigy. The same might be said of someone who was offended by having their nation's flag or their scared religions symbols disrespected, though they don't physically recreate the image of anyone in particular they are representative of a people as a whole, and as such, the conscious or subconscious taboo of defacing them causes that cringing, creepy feeling in some persons. It isn't the "thing" so much as it is what the "thing" represents. Just my two cents; tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Why do photographs seem so real?
From: mast-ga on 27 Nov 2004 09:48 PST |
Photographs *are* real, in a sense. They are a realistic representation of yourself. They are utterly recognisable, instantly. In the same way as you would startle if you heard your full name being read out on the evening news, you react to anything that happens to your iconic representation, even though you aren't directly affected. The reaction is sympathetic, just like guys might wince when watching a movie where a male actor gets kicked in the groin. |
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Re: Why do photographs seem so real?
From: mathtalk-ga on 30 Nov 2004 12:54 PST |
In one sense the photograph is more concrete than reality itself, because by being "an instant, frozen in time" the image escapes the fleetingness of reality. Yet the instant it represents is a "real" one, not an imaginary or idealized one as with most drawings. -- mathtalk-ga |
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Re: Why do photographs seem so real?
From: gaj26-ga on 01 Dec 2004 08:01 PST |
As far as i believe, the reason that the photograph itself seems so real, is because in essence it is. When you delve down into the workings of the mind, the concious mind is controlling your poking the eye with the pin, meanwhile the sub concious mind is viewing this from a distance. The simple fact is that the photograph in the first place is of yourself, and therefore in your memory at some point, is the thought of you actually standing there posing for the photograph. Whilst your concious mind is fully aware of the fact that you are merely looking at a representation of yourself and in your case prodding it with a pin, your subconcious is delving back into the past of when that photograph was taken, recalling you standing there, and then being corrupted by the thought of you poking yourself in the eye with a pin from the future, and therefore causes you to feel ill. You are in essence tampering with your own memory. An internal conflict of opinion, if you will. |
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Re: Why do photographs seem so real?
From: steve_palmer-ga on 01 Dec 2004 10:30 PST |
Interesting question. My guess is that the answer has several parts, both perceptual and cognitive. Probably the most important perceptual component is the accuracy of the photo in capturing the structure one sees in viewing real objects. A good photograph viewed under the proper circumstances (with just one eye, from far enough away that lens accommodation isn't an effective cue to depth, and with the edges of the photo occluded by viewing it through an aperture), people cannot actually tell the difference between the real 3-D scene and the photograph. This sort of thing has been studied by MH Pirenne (1970: Optics, painting and photography; Cambridge U. Press). Yes, there can be distortions in photographs, but most of them are highly constrained, systematic, and the sort of transformations to which the visual system is relatively insensitive. People have elastic enough color constancy, for example, to compensate for poor lighting conditions, and enough of various spatial constancies to compensate for perspective distortions. And even when there are distortions of these sorts (which most picture-takers try to avoid), the accurate rendering of detail is usually still there. Drawings have much less constrained distortions in which the geometry of the images can be artibraily different from what would actually be seen when viewing a real face. Anyone with a digital camera, Photoshop, and an interest in this issue could conceivably study it. Photoshop provides lots of ways of introducing systematic changes into photographs of faces so that one could find out which ones produce changes in the effect you are referring to. Start with a good photographs of some faces (e.g., your own, someone you know well, and a stranger) and then use Photoshop to alter the photo. Inverting the color would very likely make the effect go away, but just increasing the redness or greenness probably wouldn't. You can also introduce textural transformation using the various "artistic" filters to make the photos look more like paintings and less "real." You can also alter the overall geometry by introducing perspective distortions of various sorts using the "distortion" filters. I suspect that there are some cognitive components as well. Most people know how photography works and that there is a real object corresponding to the image it produces. A painting -- even a very realistic representationalist one -- could be an imagined face of an imagined person, which doesn't have the same impact as if the viewer KNOWS it's a real person, particularly him/herself. Yet another component to the answer is adaptation: the effect will probably get weaker and go away with repeated exposure to it. That will make doing the study suggested above more difficult just on yourself; you'd have to get some other volunteers. Finally, there has to be a physiological component to the answer beyond whatever neural firings underlie the perceptual and cognitive components mentioned above. Something (activation of some branch of the vagus nerve?) produces the twinge in the stomach, which I also notice whenever I see someone get hurt. One of the best examples is the razor slicing through a woman's eye in the Luis Bunuel movie, "Un Chien Andalou," which give me a big dose of the same twinge. |
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Re: Why do photographs seem so real?
From: ldavinci-ga on 06 Dec 2004 08:23 PST |
Hi Barkley-ga, The reason why Black and White images appear more realistic is also due to the physical resolution as perceived by our eyes.The amount of cells(rods) that perceive B&W images is significantly larger than the equivalent cells(cones) that perceive color. Also since the absolute color is formed by using the primary colors(RGB), the actual amount of color perceiving cells is reduced by approximately(since white is not exactly one third of RG&B, when it comes to human eye) one third. Also with B&W, since there are only two colors involved(Black/absence of Black perceived as white), the cells are effectively used to differentiate the depth(grayscale) increasing the total depth relative to a color image. Regards ldavinci-ga |
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Re: Why do photographs seem so real?
From: chillius-ga on 09 Dec 2004 21:28 PST |
To my understanding, the brain will works based on concepts and attached concepts. While one can consciously poke a pin in the eye of a picture of themselves, this and the act of doing it in real life is not so conceptually different in the brain. In fact, the only different is your conscious recognition that this object that you are poking is only a piece of paper. One should keep in mind that the possibility of you looking in a mirror and your hand-eye coordination is just very off, as well the possibility of you looking at a tv that's hooked up to a camera watching you do this to yourself is a very real possibility on the lowest logical levels. |
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