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Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: probonopublico-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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20 Jul 2002 23:43 PDT
Expires: 19 Aug 2002 23:43 PDT Question ID: 43363 |
The State Security Services (MI5) file on Kurt Jahnke in the UK Public Record Office (KV2/755) contains no documents after 1 Oct 1945. However, several documents are listed in the covering 'Minutes'(Index) through to 4 Sept 1951 but these haven't survived the weeding process. Minute No 44 dated 8 Dec 1949 summarises one of the missing documents as follows: 'From Ministry of Defence stating JAHNKE in Oct 1949 had inserted a notice in a Hamburg paper announcing his return from Moscow and that he would in future reside in Berlin.' How can I find and get hold of a copy of the notice that appeared in the Hamburg paper? |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: alienintelligence-ga on 20 Jul 2002 23:47 PDT |
I'd suggest perusing a good collection of microfilms, I discovered this listing: http://www.lib.duke.edu/access/news/current_foreign_newspapers.html They have- Hamburg DIE ZEIT shelf S191 (1946-) know which Hamburg paper it was? -AI |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: probonopublico-ga on 20 Jul 2002 23:53 PDT |
Hi, AI Don't know any more but Duke sure would be a good place to start. Many thanks. Bryan |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: alienintelligence-ga on 22 Jul 2002 04:29 PDT |
All I have to say is, WoW. http://prodigi.bl.uk/nlcat/ Put in hamburg in the search. -AI |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: probonopublico-ga on 22 Jul 2002 10:00 PDT |
Hi, Again, AI You should have said 'Big WOW' ... I never realised that there were so many newspapers in Hamburg, with copies available so close to me in the UK. Many thanks. Kindest regards Bryan |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: thx1138-ga on 05 Aug 2002 13:52 PDT |
Hi again probonopublico :) This Kurt Jahnke thing intrigues me ! did you know there was another spy called Jahnke who also operated in the USA ? FELIX JAHNKE In 1924, Felix Jahnke left Germany for the United States, where he became a naturalized citizen in 1930. Jahnke had attended military school in Germany and had served in the German army as a radio operator. Jahnke and Axel Wheeler-Hill secured the services of Josef Klein, a radio technician, in building a portable radio set for Jahnke's apartment in the Bronx. Jahnke used this radio to transmit messages, which were intercepted by the FBI, to Germany. He also visited the docks in New York Harbor to obtain information about any vessels bound for England. After pleading guilty to violation of the Registration Act, Jahnke was sentenced to serve 20 months in prison and to pay a $1,000 fine. http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/spyring/spyring.htm#Jahnke Coincidence ? |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: probonopublico-ga on 05 Aug 2002 22:58 PDT |
Hi, thx1338-ga Nice to hear from you again. Pleased to have titillated your interest. No, I have never heard of Felx Jahnke before. However, Jahnke is a fairly common German name and I suspect a coincidence. Kurt Jahnke (1882-1945) was the principal German spy & saboteur in North America during the 1914-1918 War and he worked for Rudolf Hess (Hitler's Deputy) from 1934 to 1940. Regards Bryan |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: thx1138-ga on 07 Aug 2002 07:32 PDT |
Hello probonopublico :) Yes, I know ALL about Kurt Jahnke and his wife! as I now spend some of my spare time rummaging around in the more obscure corners of the web trying to find more information on him. Infact 'behind the scenes' in GA researcher world he has become quite (in)famous and researchers post messages to each other about alleged sightings of him etc... One of our German researchers claimed to have found his phone number http://www.autoteile-jahnke.de/ Unfortunately (as yet) I have not found anything which you donīt already know, but rest assured should something come to light I will let you know. Best regards THX1138 |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: probonopublico-ga on 07 Aug 2002 12:50 PDT |
Hi, Again, thx1138-ga Pleased to learn of your continuing interest in Kurt Jahnke. I shall now try to conjure up some more questions to ask. Kindest regards Bryan |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: thx1138-ga on 07 Aug 2002 13:06 PDT |
Regarding Jahnke, Kent & "The Doctor" presumably you have seen this ? http://www.pro.gov.uk/releases/nov2001-MI5/page1a.htm |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: probonopublico-ga on 07 Aug 2002 23:07 PDT |
Hi, Again thx1138-ga No ... I hadn't seen KV 2/674 ... Thanks for the link. It's intriguing. Next time I go to the PRO I'll have a look at the file. Kindest regards Bryan |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: thx1138-ga on 08 Aug 2002 15:40 PDT |
Hi probonopublico, In ref to your question: On 14 February 1940, a man from the British Foreign Office who called himself 'Mr Gill' visited the American Embassy in London and advised Herschel Johnson that a serious leakage of information had been detected and that their source in Berlin (probably Karl Markus) had reported that he had heard Kurt Jahnke (his boss) say to his translator, in reply to a question as to whether there was any American material on a particular day, 'No, the Doctor has not dictated this morning'. Evidentally, 'the Doctor' was based in London and he had been leaking information BEFORE Tyler Kent took up his posting there on 5 October 1939. So if he wasn't Tyler Kent (who was arrested on 20 May 1940) who was 'the Doctor'? https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=36203 Here are some pieces of a jigsaw (but the pieces might not be from the same jigsaw :) Tell me where this story falls to bits....... The Doctor is in fact Major Ritter (Abwehr) (1.) He was known as The Doctor because he was also known as Dr. Hans Rankin (2.) Ritter had lived in the USA for 10 years and spoke American English fluently and without a trace of an accent. In the document I told you about http://www.pro.gov.uk/releases/nov2001-MI5/page1a.htm The Doctor is one in the same as you asked about in your question, but didnīt actually work in the US Embassy but was passing on information before Tyler Kent took up post (and after) The question is who was doing the spying before Taylor Kent took up post ? The Doctor of course was passing information from both the British and the Americans back to Berlin and yes! Kurt Jahnke. Of course another question is if "The Doctor" (in your question) is Major Ritter then why is he being interviwed by the British on March 29th 1941 http://www.pro.gov.uk/releases/nov2001-MI5/page1a.htm I donīt know! Maybe he was part of the "Black Orchestra" conspiracy? "According to a recent article in the Sunday Telegraph (London), he apparently discovered that all German agents in Britain had been compromised and brought under hostile control. Postwar interrogation reports in London's Public Records Office (PRO) suggest that Ritter knew this as early as 1941 but refrained from telling his superiors" http://www.cia.gov/csi/bulletin/csi11.html#toc5 Does any of this make sense ? Anyway Iīm going to leave it at that for now ! All the best THX1138 (1.) . The case collapsed in early 1941 after a visit by SNOW and CELERY to Lisbon to meet their German controller, spymaster Major Ritter, alias the Doctor. During debriefing back in England SNOW claimed to have divulged everything after being accused of being a British agent by Ritter. http://www.pro.gov.uk/releases/nov2001-MI5/introduction.htm (2.)He was indeed a spy. The name Dr. Hans Rankin and his role at the Hamburg import-export firm were a cover. Actually, he was a major in the Abwehr, Germanys secret service, and his real name was Nicholaus Ritter. Two years later, Major Nicholaus Ritter was sent on his crucial espionage mission to the United States to steal the design for the Norden bombsight. Until being recruited by the Abwehr in Hamburg early in 1937, Ritter had no experience in clandestine operations. But he did have two highly important qualifications for his task: he had spent ten years in the United States as a textile manufacturer, and he spoke American English fluently and without a trace of an accent. http://www.wileyeurope.com/cda/cover/0,,0471318620%7Cexcerpt,00.pdf NOTE: the different Dr. AKA from above! Fischer, Benjamin. "A.k.a. 'Dr. Rantzau': The Enigma of Major Nikolaus Ritter." Center for the Study of Intelligence Bulletin 11 (Summer 2000): 8-11. [http://www.cia.gov/csi/bulletin/csi11.html#toc5]. |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: probonopublico-ga on 08 Aug 2002 23:58 PDT |
Hi, 1138thx-ga Many thanks for your further response. Your hypothesis seems very plausible and your research is impressive. I shall now follow up your leads. It's a pity that my previous question relating to The Doctor is now closed. Can I re-open the question so that you can get your just desserts (without someone else stealing your thunder)? In any event, please post your comment here, as an answer. Kindest Regards Bryan |
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Re: Kurt Jahnke - German spy & saboteur NEW!!!!
From: thx1138-ga on 09 Aug 2002 06:39 PDT |
Hi probonopublico, and thank you for your nice comments! "Can I re-open the question so that you can get your just desserts (without someone else stealing your thunder)?" Certainly, just repost the Doctor question https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=36203 and specifically ask for THX1138 to answer it, with a note to say that the answer will be rejected if anyone else answers it. I have expanded my theory a bit on "The Doctor" but have to follow up on a couple of leads before I 'post' anything. Repost the Doctor question anyway and I will answer it. I canīt really post an answer to this question as I havenīt researched it, but thanks anyway. Best Regards THX1138 |
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