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Subject:
Dropped website a solution to my problem-please do not suggest possible causes
Category: Computers > Internet Asked by: carlx-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
21 Jul 2002 05:09 PDT
Expires: 20 Aug 2002 05:09 PDT Question ID: 43392 |
My website in its present form was on Google and related search engines for 5 or 6 months until about 10 days ago when it was unaccountably dropped by them. I have read Google's notes and found I am guilty of a nominal amount of hidden text, which I intend removing but according to expert advice this on its own would not get me dropped. WebPosition has also told me that their software that does ranking searches can cause a problem. There seems to a multiplicity of possibilities many of which I am aware of; so what I am looking for is not possible causes but to be told what alterations I should make to my site to get it reinstated without changing my URL. I have resubmitted my site and I have also written to Google but, in accordance with their notes, no advice seems to be forthcoming. My website address is www.chinese-porcelain-art.com |
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Re: Dropped website a solution to my problem-please do not suggest possible causes
Answered By: webadept-ga on 21 Jul 2002 19:58 PDT Rated: ![]() |
Hi, I've seen this happen with a lot of websites that try these tactics. Its unfortunate, and there is no real "quick fix" Quick fix is what did this in the first place. But, here is what you do to get it on Google again and several other search engines that have probably taken you out of the index as well. First off, make a file called robots.txt. This should be a plain text file and have a single line in it (for you anyway) That line should be: User-agent: * This lets all robots know that its okay to index your site. You don't have one and google will drop on this as well. No space at the top, and plain, regular text. Put this in the main area of your site. Check that it is readable by going to the file using http://yoururl.com/robots.txt. You should be able to read it. If not, then try again using plain text. Don't put anything in there except that line. Next, take out the two lines you have of hidden text. Since you used that term I'm going to assume you know what that is, and then remove those Spam comments you are using as well. Next, remove the in-body JavaScript you have at the bottom. The counter isn't working anyway, and its a redirect from your site. Until you get back on to the search engines, don't put anything in there that is not of your website, and no javascript that is not working correctly. Next, your keywords are too long. A good rule to follow is no more than 10, and the sets of no more than two. Trust me, more than this is not doing you any good. The engines do not rely completely on the keywords any longer, mostly because of exactly this type of tactic you are using. Use the keyword tag, don't rely on it. Make sure that in "visible" text each of your key word sets are being used on the page they are on. If they aren't then they aren't going to be used in the indexing anyway. More than this, they will count against you. Next, if you have other registered urls that are redirecting to this site, stop them. At least until you are back on the engines. This is not the same as linking to this site. A redirect is when I go to that URL and my browser is sent to this page instead. Put text and information on those sites. Use them as "interesting facts on ceramics" or "The history of ceramics." Give them all robot.txt files and follow the other instructions as well. Put a link to this site on those. ONE. Next, check each page to make sure there are no broken links. Next, do all of this for the rest of the pages on the website. Next, get from your ISP, if it is not available to you, an access_log file and see how often the google robot has come by your website. It will not be a set time period, and since you have been dropped, it may be longer before it comes back around. Check this file regularly to see when it does show up. Then check your status again. For a small site it sure breaks a lot of the current basic rules.. Don't worry about it too much, its not unfixable. In the future, be aware that quick fixes in this area usually are not. The Engines, (Google and others) work very hard for accuracy from queries. That is what they are selling, so they read the same stuff the "marketing" people are. Make your site is easy to index, keep it clean and useful and your listing will be reinstated and you'll go higher on results page. There is nothing wrong with JavaScript or marketing or cgi's. Nothing at all. Make sure they work though. This type of thing can happen because by poorly written code "trapping" the spider when it comes to your site. Test all code thoroughly before putting it on your website. And if it is not working, get it off there as soon as possible. Thanks, and good luck. webadept-ga |
carlx-ga
rated this answer:![]() The real answer to my question was obtained from a Google discussion group by a friend who received the answer as follows: I have some great news about your website. I posted a question on a specialist Google forum asking why it has been banned. I got 45 responses! A few were from an employee of Google who moderates the forum. This is one of his responses: Hey Neil, were you using WebPosition Gold for this domain until recently? Looks like that's what did it for you. I'll re-enable your domain and you should be back in within a day or so. Please help spread the word that rank checking programs can lead not just to IPs being banned but trouble for domains as well. We did another pass to turn off a chunk of domains that use rank checking programs recently. So it looks like Web Position Gold was the reason why you were banned. As there was clearly no foul play involved Google are going to re-list your site hopefully by the end of the day. It seems they dont like people using WPG as it slows google down a bit. Another interesting point was raised in the forum how does google stop people using WPG on their competitors to get them banned? They also check the IP address of the computer where WPG is being run from, so they know if youre actually checking your own domain or a competitor. Regards, Neil Hutchinson I did point out in my question I was aware of the basic rules and was seeking a solution and in fact the recommended action although sound did not offer the solution. No one who had looked at my site thought I had done anything seriously wrong although there was room for improvement. |
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Re: Dropped website a solution to my problem-please do not suggest possible caus
From: lot-ga on 21 Jul 2002 11:57 PDT |
I looked at your site and the word porcelain occurs 61 times, so 'maybe' that is too much, (counting every instance). Off topic, I noticed you are not listed in dmoz.org (provides google's directory content) or alltheweb.com both free listings, so you may want to be listed there too. |
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Re: Dropped website a solution to my problem-please do not suggest possible causes
From: morris-ga on 21 Jul 2002 13:27 PDT |
When you do the Google search on pages containing links to your site "+www.chinese-porcelain-art.com" +".com" you get 111 results but only two sites: www.ks-creations.co.uk/cv.html and www.lastoria.org/nicola2/arte-linx.htm I've never seen that result before - could there have been an attempt to Google Bomb your site with one-way links? |
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Re: Dropped website a solution to my problem-please do not suggest possible causes
From: insideinfo-ga on 23 Jul 2002 02:39 PDT |
Rankings on Google are definitely one of the most difficult to fool into giving you high rankings or having webmaster easily color it's results. That is of course why so many people use it to search because it's results are very relevant and usually point to the best sites for keywords. But this also means that you have to make a site become an authority on a topic to make it rank high and also to make it stay in the database. Often they will add sites that have some linkings to them to try them out in the database for a while. No one but their search engine result engineers are sure of what the algorithm is doing during this time but one thing is certain. Just because you get in does not mean you will stay in. I would say that something on the site did not meet ongoing criteria to stay in and then to rank highly for "chinese poreclain art" or other keywords. On sites for my clients I have seen them added then removed a few weeks later without links from important sites such as DMOZ or Yahoo. Yahoo is now $299 US for most categories but you should research that and see what category(s) would be best for it. Then after the client has been in Yahoo or other big directory sites for a while they are listed in Google again the next time they refresh their database. Again, this is a kind of checksum, to see that at least several sites think your site is of high merit for Google to list your site. The sites linking to you now have decent page ranks (PR), they have a 3 and 4 ranking. A good directory should have a higher ranking than those and the more the merrier. For more information on Page Ranking please see Google at: ://www.google.com/technology/ Good Luck! search terms on Google pagerank page rank |
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Re: Dropped website a solution to my problem-please do not suggest possible causes
From: morris-ga on 28 Jul 2002 12:36 PDT |
Oddly enough, one of my websites which has been up since 1996 was dropped from Google on Friday and restored on Sunday - the usage stats tell the story. I don't know if Google fixed the problem within minutes of my e-mailing them when I noticed, or if it was some temporary glitch. morris-ga |
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Re: Dropped website a solution to my problem-please do not suggest possible causes
From: morris-ga on 31 Jul 2002 06:59 PDT |
Oops, sites were only back in Google on some servers as the drop propagated through the system. Checking with Google, hope to be able to clarify the drop process for all. |
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Re: Dropped website a solution to my problem-please do not suggest possible causes
From: morris-ga on 01 Aug 2002 17:28 PDT |
OK, while I haven't heard back from Google yet, by looking at which pages on my site hadn't been dropped, I was able to figure out how the dropped ones were "chosen" for the honor. A few months ago, I went from using an image map for our homepage, http://www.daileyint.com to a simple list of links to most of the pages on the site. Ironically, I did this after reading up on things Google doesn't like, and image maps is one of them. The problem was that all of our documents were in sub-directories, and I forgot whether or not a "/" was required before each link in the HTML, as in "/build/index.htm" or "build/index.htm." Rather than experimenting, I did the safe thing and used an old index.htm which had the whole URL for each entry, as in "http://www.daileyint.com/build/index.htm". Unfortunately, Googlebot must have seen the links as a problem and removed all of the pages directly referenced from the Google index. I don't understand why, it wasn't an attempt to spam the index, they obviously originated in the domain they pointed at.. If anybody wonders why I'd have an old index around which used the whole URL, it's because the site dates back to 1996. Both my business partner and I were on 14K modems, FTPing our pages up independently, and we didn't want to have to replicate the whole site on both of our PCs. Using the full URL allowed the web mapping tool in GNN Press (which I still use) to work without the pages being present on the local PC. Moral of the story is to use all local (relative) links if you don't want your pages dropped by Google. |
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