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History written by the losing side
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: dtnl42-ga List Price: $30.00 |
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28 Nov 2004 05:51 PST
Expires: 28 Dec 2004 05:51 PST Question ID: 435024 |
People say that history is written by the winning side - what would some of history's key events / wars etc. have looked like, and been recorded and remembered, if they had been written by the losing side? Access to sources on different and alternative perspectives of key historical evsnts please |
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Re: History written by the losing side
From: timespacette-ga on 28 Nov 2004 08:28 PST |
just wondering, did you get this idea from the movie The Fog of War, all about Robert MacNamara? If you haven't seen it, it would be show some important points along this line of thinking. ts |
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Re: History written by the losing side
From: probonopublico-ga on 28 Nov 2004 08:33 PST |
Well, the US lost the Vietnam War. Right? But, of course, they reported it as a victory. Right? |
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Re: History written by the losing side
From: omnivorous-ga on 28 Nov 2004 09:14 PST |
Thucydides "History of the Peloponessian War" was written from the Athenian point of view. The war was the end of the Athenian empire, an empire that was based on a strong naval position. Google search strategy: "Peloponnesian war" Thucydides Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: History written by the losing side
From: jeffreyboulier-ga on 30 Nov 2004 20:12 PST |
Thucydides (mentioned by omnivorous-ga) is probably the best example, but other major losing side accounts include: The Song of Roland. A reader could be forgiven for forgetting that this describes a double failure. Charlemagne's offensive into Spain failed, and then the rearguard, led by Roland, is wiped out. It's historically important because had the offensive succeeded, then there would have been no Reconquista. The whole of Spain would have rejoined the Christian world before the fall of Grenada in 1492. Although the "Song" is quite ahistorical, it is how the event was remembered in the Middle Ages. Much of the Old Testament. "Lamentations", Jeremiah's meditation on the fall of Jerusalem, is the best example here, though Psalm 137 is the most quotable: "By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion. We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof. For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion. How shall we sing the LORD's song in a strange land?" The Kosovo Cycle. The Serbian national epics revolve around the defeat and dissolution of the Serbian empire at battle of Kosovo, where they fell under Ottoman rule. A bit closer to the modern, "Gone With the Wind" is certainly a (fictional) account of That Late Unpleasantness, also known as the War of Northern Aggression, the War Between the States, and the US Civil War. Probably any account of the war written by a non-black Southerner before 1950 would fall in the same vein. "All's Quiet on the Western Front" was written by a Eric Maria Remarque, a soldier for Germany in World War I. For that matter, I think that the more famous German soldier's "Mein Kampf" contained Hitler's view of how Germany lost. All told, I think losers get to write quite a lot of history. Winners are pressed with the need to run their empires; losers are stuck at home with nothing else to do but brood over their failures. Oh, and if this is some school assignment that you're trying to get the Google Answers people to do so you can plagiarize off them, then you're a loser, and you're writing something! |
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Re: History written by the losing side
From: booklover101-ga on 09 Dec 2004 16:47 PST |
Someone else mentioned the book of Lamentations in reference to the tribes of Israel being on the "losing side." A very good reference. In a nutshell, much of the old testament is about the people of Israel sinning against God, getting punished, crying out to God for mercy, getting rescued, forgetting that he had rescued them, turning away from him again, and getting punished, etc. Many of the Psalms reflect the anguish, as well as the book of Exodus. Also, at one point the whole of Israel was carried off (literally) by the Babylonians, and their temple was destroyed. The other great example is the South. They still don't admit they lost down there. Take a drive through southern Atlanta. Southern flags and other paraphanalia are all over the place. |
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