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Subject: When shaking a can of peanuts...
Category: Science > Physics
Asked by: navig75-ga
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Posted: 30 Nov 2004 03:57 PST
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Question ID: 435985
When we shake a can with some peanuts, why the larger peanuts move on
the surface and the smaller fall in bottom?
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Subject: Re: When shaking a can of peanuts...
Answered By: answerfinder-ga on 30 Nov 2004 04:46 PST
Rated:3 out of 5 stars
 
Dear navig75-ga,
This effect applies to many granular materials: nuts, sand, sugar,
seeds and salt. It is known as the ?Brazil Nut Effect? and the reasons
are not yet completely understood.

Donna Francis - Researcher / Chemistry and Materials Science, Ontario
Science Center, gives the following explanation:

"Imagine a tall cannister of sand. When shaken up and down, the grains
actually flow in a pattern, with individual grains moving upwards
through the middle, across the surface, and down along the sides. This
pattern is known as convection flow.

Now, if you add a marble, for example, to the sand, the larger marble
will get caught up in the convection flow and move to the top of the
sand. Once at the top, it will stay there, because the convection
currents are too narrow for the marble to sweep downwards along the
wall with the sand."

There is further information on this page.
http://www.ontariosciencecentre.ca/scizone/brainz/francis/granular.asp

Researchers at the University of Chicago have been studying this
effect and have produced an animation on the Brazil Nut Effect with
some detailed information on the physics involved. Keep clicking play
progress through the animation (Macromedia Flash required)
http://jfi.uchicago.edu/~jaeger/group/brazilnut.html


The University Magazine reports that, 
"In the November 15 issue of Nature, Nagel and colleagues pointed out
flaws in previous attempts to understand the "Brazil-nut effect," or
why the first person to open a box of muesli gets all the big pieces
and the last helping contains only crumbled oats. Theorists since the
1930s have blamed smaller grains for slipping into the spaces created
beneath larger particles. Others claim that everything rises when
shaken but only the smaller bits find room to descend. The Chicago
physicists suggested that we can no longer simply blame the little
guys; the problem is far too complex.

Not only must grains, nuts, and fruit be considered, Nagel and his
colleagues suggest, but also the air between particles. "Our results,"
they conclude, "indicate an intricate interplay between
vibration-induced convection and fluidization, drag by interstitial
air, and intruder motion." In other words, both the smaller particles
and the air between particles act like fluids, so variations of air
pressure within the box alter how the nuts "float." Despite this
discovery, no one has yet developed a pressurized cereal box."
http://magazine.uchicago.edu/0202/features/physics.html


This is the summary of the Nature article,
"Mounting evidence indicates that differences in particle density
affect size separation in mixtures of granular particles. We show here
that this density dependence does not follow a steady trend but is
non-monotonic and sensitive to background air pressure. Our results
indicate that particle density and interstitial air must both be
considered in size segregation."
http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v414/n6861/abs/414270a0_fs.html

Additional information with an experiment you can try yourself.
http://www.seed.slb.com/en/scictr/lab/brazilnut/


I hope this answers your question. If it does not, or the answer is
unclear, then please ask for clarification of this research before
rating the answer. I shall respond to the clarification request as
soon as I receive it.
Thank you
answerfinder


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Request for Answer Clarification by navig75-ga on 02 Dec 2004 04:13 PST
Is there any exception for the Brazil nut effect?

Clarification of Answer by answerfinder-ga on 02 Dec 2004 09:05 PST
Your question goes beyond your original question, but during my
reading of the material when researching this answer, I did not notice
any discussions of exceptions. There may be, as every material will
behave differently. Perhaps they have not been researched, or appear
in the Nature article referred to above which you have to pay to read.
answerfinder-ga
navig75-ga rated this answer:3 out of 5 stars

Comments  
Subject: Re: When shaking a can of peanuts...
From: mrfixit1-ga on 06 Jan 2005 20:20 PST
 
Naaaa what it is, is, the forces (sand friction)on the larger items
are dispersed over a larger area and therefor overcome the smaller and
less forces on the smaller items (sand)and work equily and invercely
to its density, and as this friction is releasing energy  entropy must
always decrease thefor the larger item must surface to allow the large
item to reduce to its lowest energy state.

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