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Subject: patience of medici
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: yothay-ga
List Price: $60.00
Posted: 02 Feb 2006 16:34 PST
Expires: 04 Mar 2006 16:34 PST
Question ID: 440689
Second repost as to acknowledge for an answer from politicalguru-ga.
Question ID: 600973 
 
what is the patience of medici and how it works?
 

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Request for Question Clarification by pinkfreud-ga on 03 Dec 2005 12:05 PST 
It might help if we knew where you encountered the phrase "patience of
Medici." Are you certain of the spelling? I've found this phrase in
only one place on the Web, and it is not explained there.
 

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Clarification of Question by yothay-ga on 03 Dec 2005 14:34 PST 
it may be related to tarot.
 

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Request for Question Clarification by pinkfreud-ga on 03 Dec 2005 14:48 PST 
As I mentioned, there is only one online mention of "patience of
Medici." If this phrase has meaning, I can't help thinking that either
"patience" or "Medici" is a misspelled word. Where did you hear or see
this term?
 

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Clarification of Question by yothay-ga on 25 Dec 2005 10:28 PST 
here the links:

http://www.aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4463a.htm

http://www.ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13455&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=60

and an old one which isn't accessible anymore:

http://p222.ezboard.com/fsorceryfrm17.showMessage?topicID=713.topic

I retrieved this content from various metasearch:

His magic studies caused lively interest the kingly persons, and Mary
Medici was one of the admirers. To the experts of card games is known
the patience of Medici - surprising magic patience,whose secret passed
to it from the Di. There is nothing surprising in the...

here's a google cache which contains a link pointing to the previous url:

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:2KMEo8Y-CwQJ:pub247.ezboard.com/fsorceryfrm17+fsorceryfrm17&hl=en&start=1
 

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Request for Question Clarification by politicalguru-ga on 02 Feb 2006 04:49 PST 
Dear Yothay, 

I can tell you a little about the Patience of Medici (as in a general
explanation of what it is and from which milleu the term stems: not
Tarot, no "Solitaire" or other card games), but not "how it works". I
can refer you to sources that might have the information, though I am
not sure if they will be willing to divulge the information. If you'd
like this as an answer, please let me know. Since the question is
about to expire, you might need to repost it.
Answer  
Subject: Re: patience of medici
Answered By: politicalguru-ga on 05 Feb 2006 10:36 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear Yothay, 

At the end, I've managed to find quite a lot about it. The secret is
not to think "English" ;-)

The "theory" of the Patience of Medici (or "Medici Patience") comes
from the  esoteric Russian teachings of "Dream Hacking", who developed
the concept in 1999. Dreamhackers are mysticists in Russia who believe
that one can also "hack" into dreams, basing themselves mostly on the
Carlos Castaneda and his book "The Art of Dreaming" (Harper 1994).

There isn't a lot about this theory in English online (or probably
also off-line), but there is some material in Russian.

Apparently, this has to do with managing to influence the future
through a game of patience ("Solitaire").

The game is, according to the dream-hackers, attributed to "Medici"
(they do not say which one), who has used it to decide matters and
foresee the future.
(See this Russian site: <http://aworld.ru/maska/forumsp852a.htm>). 

This site, of the "Hackers" (The dream-hackers) in Russian provides "a
brief explanation of the Patience of Medici", which mostly includes
the interpretation of difference symbols appaering in dreams:

&#1054;&#1089;&#1085;&#1086;&#1074;&#1099;
&#1090;&#1077;&#1086;&#1088;&#1080;&#1080;
&#1055;&#1072;&#1089;&#1100;&#1103;&#1085;&#1089;&#1072;
&#1052;&#1077;&#1076;&#1080;&#1095;&#1080;
(&#1086;&#1095;&#1077;&#1085;&#1100;
&#1082;&#1088;&#1072;&#1090;&#1082;&#1086;&#1077;
&#1086;&#1087;&#1080;&#1089;&#1072;&#1085;&#1080;&#1077;)
<http://integrity.org.ru/hackeros/h_base_pm.htm> 

A chain of events is analysed "according to the Patience of Medici".

On a deck of cards, each card has meaning, according to this theory: 

- Hearts : are sensual experiences (sympathy, antipathy, passion etc.)
- Diamonds: financial matters
- Clubs: social activity, work 
- Spades: aggression, obstacles

In that, it is similar to Tarot cartomancy. 

Further symbols: 
- Ace: circumstances beyong our control
- King: the law
- Queen: people/animals with which we interact
- Jack: our personal motives, desire, motive, the intentions, which
force us to act.
- 10: the result of our actions
- 9: information. our outputs, utterances. 
- 8: contact
- 7: absorption (consumption of food and information, the survey of
football, cinema, reading newspaper so forth.
- 6: displacement

Then, you play Medici's Patience (yes, a type of solitaire). Please
note that only 6-A cards play:
- The deck of cards should be with the jackets upwards. 
- You take out three cards and lay them. 
- The middle (second) card is the most important one. If it is located
between the cards with identical color (for example, between two
hearts) or between the cards with identical values (for example,
between two "ten"s), then this second card is shifted to the first.
- If the second card is not added to the first, you lay out the fourth
card and you begin the analysis of the third card - i.e., you look, if
is located between identical colours or identical values. If it is, it
is shifted on the second card, and then you again return to its
analysis of the second card (since the third became the second).
- If not, you open again - a fifth card and you begin to analyze the
fourth card. Again, if the fourth is proven to be between similar
values or colours, you put it on the third - it becomes the third -
and the two are shifted on the second card - all become the second.

Interpretation: is done through looking at the chain of events, as
manifested in the second card(s). Each new card is analysed as a
proposed action, that would continue "broken chains" in our lives.

See also: 
&#1054;&#1087;&#1080;&#1089;&#1072;&#1085;&#1080;&#1077;
&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1100;&#1103;&#1085;&#1089;&#1072;
&#1052;&#1077;&#1076;&#1080;&#1095;&#1080; (Description of Medici
Patience)
<http://max.nino.ru/DH/dreamhackers.narod.ru/a10728.htm> (by a person
called "ivet").

Dreamhackers
<http://dreamhackers.narod.ru/index1.htm> and 
<http://integrity.org.ru/index.php> 

Dreamhackers Journal
<http://lonebird.ru/> 

Whom to contact: 
snovidenie-owner@yahoogroups.com - a Dreamhackers' Yahoo! Group (in
Russian). The owner might post your questions to the group and ask
someone who speaks English to explain Medici's Patience to you.

Conact form on their site: 
<http://integrity.org.ru/feedback.php?p=> 

To have a lame translation from Russian, that would at least generally
explain to you what the Russian sites I gave you are all about, try
Alta Vista machine translation:
http://world.altavista.com/tr 

I hope this answers your question. Please contact me if you need any
clarification on this answer before you rate it. My most relevant
search terms:
"&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1100;&#1103;&#1085;&#1089;&#1072;
&#1052;&#1077;&#1076;&#1080;&#1095;&#1080;" (Medici's
Patience/Patience of Medici)
dreamhackers
&#1052;&#1077;&#1076;&#1080;&#1095;&#1080;
&#1090;&#1077;&#1088;&#1087;&#1077;&#1085;&#1080;&#1103;
&#1050;&#1072;&#1089;&#1090;&#1072;&#1085;&#1077;&#1076;&#1072;
(Medici, patience - the term, not the game, Castaneda)
yothay-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Great answer :) !

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Subject: Re: patience of medici
From: politicalguru-ga on 10 Feb 2006 04:47 PST
 
Thank you for the rating!

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