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Subject:
boiling water
Category: Science > Chemistry Asked by: southnfried-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
05 Feb 2006 05:06 PST
Expires: 07 Mar 2006 05:06 PST Question ID: 441662 |
If you applied heat to two identical pots, one with a quart of water and the other with half a quart of water, then at a time estimated to be half way before the quart begins to boil, you added the other half to the half....which one would come to a boil first? Or in other words, should I warm my car up with the heater on, or wait til the engine warms up and then turn it on/ |
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Re: boiling water
From: frde-ga on 05 Feb 2006 06:18 PST |
Unless your car's heating has an electrical override that detects when cold air is being pushed through the system, you'll just be pumping cold air into the car. On the other hand, having the extra load of the fan running should put a little more strain on the idling engine, which would probably make it generate more heat. If the car is a real classic, for example an Aston Martin, then there are other considerations. An engineer who owned one told me that it was essential to let the engine run for five minutes to get the oil warmed up and circulating freely. Adding any extra load in that case would be ... defeating the object. If your vehicle is modern, then it probably does not matter much, the bearings and oil pump(s) will be much more robust. Still, pumping cold air into the cab seems a bit pointless ... OTOH if you are nipping out to start the car, then retreating to the warmth while it sorts itself out, then there is the personal comfort factor. |
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Re: boiling water
From: mikewa-ga on 05 Feb 2006 06:46 PST |
If you want it in terms of the original question. Suppose at the start pot A has 500 mls of water and pot B 1000, both at 20oC. When pot A is half way to boiling, it will now be at 60oC (an increase of 60oC): pot B will have only risen 20oC, and will be at 40oC. If you transfer half of pot B to pot A, then pot A now contains 1000 mls at 50oC while pot B has 500 mls at 40oC To bring both to boiling will take 1000x50 calories (50000) for pot A but only 500x60 (30000) for pot B which will boil first |
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Re: boiling water
From: siliconsamurai-ga on 05 Feb 2006 09:24 PST |
That's a LOT of questions but the simple answer is that it depends on the car. The only way to really know is to conduct a simple test for yourself. That's what a scientist would do. |
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Re: boiling water
From: azdoug-ga on 05 Feb 2006 20:45 PST |
Start the engine and the heater at the same time. The argument of "you'll just be pumping cold air into the car" is invalid. Isn't the inside of the car assumed to be the same temperature as the outside air??? So by pumping in the outside air, you won't be decreasing the temperature inside the car. The benefit of starting the heater at t=0 is you will be gaining heat AS THE HEATER WARMS UP. If you were just to wait till the heater reached its max output to turn it on, you would have missed the opportunity of gaining the 'ascending' heat. Collectively, this is a significant amount of energy. As for the wear on a cold engine, I wouldn't worry about it. The heater is simply a resistor and a fan. Not much load... It's not like starting your car and then zooming off at 100 mph. The idling engine's power is much greater than what is required by the heater. |
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Re: boiling water
From: frde-ga on 06 Feb 2006 03:26 PST |
Actually, I envisaged that the car was in a cold climate, possibly below zero degrees centigrade. I had pictured someone in Minnesota entering their garage, opening the garage door, starting the car, and scuttling back into the house for a final coffee. I should have made those assumptions clear. In a mild climate the heater would have little effect, as it would probably not do anything. |
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Re: boiling water
From: siliconsamurai-ga on 06 Feb 2006 09:34 PST |
Just a suggestion - in cold climantes at home do what I do, just plug in a small 1200 watt eletctic heater on a timer to start every morning at a reasonable time. Or, as I do in my equipment on the ranch, get one of the $10 electric heaters which run off the battery and turn it on when you start the vehicle - instant heat. |
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