I am looking for a number of feasibility studies that compare in
detail the cost of using fuel cells with other viable technologies in
powering cars, i.e. automotive applications. |
Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
06 Feb 2006 11:46 PST
Hello Dave,
Happy to look into this for you. As you might imagine, the US Dept of
Energy has a considerable interest in this topic, and has done a lot
of cost analysis.
Is this the sort of thing you're looking for:
http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/tiax_cost_analysis_pres.pdf
Cost Analysis of Fuel Cell Systems for Transportation
It's strength is that it offers a lot of detail about what factors go
into the overall costs.
But it doesn't provide any direct comparisions to other transportation
technologies.
Have a look, and let me know how close (or far) to the target this one is.
Thanks,
pafalafa-ga
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Clarification of Question by
strongdave-ga
on
06 Feb 2006 13:38 PST
Dear Pafalafa,
Thanks a lot for your comment. In fact, I have already seen the
document you provided. What I am looking for is a feasibility study
that details and explained the calculations involved; instead of
posting the final results.
http://frt.fy.chalmers.se/PDF-docs/P_Jung_M_thesis.pdf page 70 is a good example
Thanks
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
06 Feb 2006 14:49 PST
Thanks...that's a big help.
Just to confirm one thing.
The Jung thesis is dated 1999. I know that the most up-to-date
documents are always the most desirable, but absent more current work,
are older economic models of fuel cell costs, such as the Jung report,
acceptable as an answer to your question?
paf
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
06 Feb 2006 16:10 PST
For instance, this one:
http://www.princeton.edu/~energy/publications/pdf/1999/Comparison_hydrogen_methanol_gas.pdf
is dated, but it's also pretty explicit in its economic model assumptions.
paf
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Clarification of Question by
strongdave-ga
on
07 Feb 2006 02:14 PST
Dear Pafalafa
Thanks again for asking. Of course, recent studies are more desirable
especially when it comes to something like fuel cells. I appreciate
that such studies may be hard to find as they might be commercially
sensitive.
You can post whatever you find (old and recent; preferably recent ones
even if not comprehensive), but I also need cost comparisons with
internal combustion engine vehicles.
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
07 Feb 2006 07:18 PST
strongdave-ga,
Bingo!...at least for an up-to-date report. I located the full text
of the TIAX report, and it's chock full of economics:
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy06osti/39104.pdf
I didn't see a direct comparison with conventional cars, but if such a
thing exists, it's probably in the references to this report. I'm
going through them (and some other sources) and I'll let you know what
I come up with.
paf
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Clarification of Question by
strongdave-ga
on
07 Feb 2006 13:36 PST
Dear Paf
I am looking forward to see what you come up with. I am more
interested in running costs compared with traditional cars as in Jung
report. I am sure you will do a great work
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Clarification of Question by
strongdave-ga
on
09 Feb 2006 09:44 PST
Hi Paf,
Are you still taking the question? Feel free to ask any questions you may have
Looking forward for the answer
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
09 Feb 2006 09:56 PST
Dave,
I'm still on it, though I haven't found anything that hits the nail on
the head. I have a few email queries out, and I'm waiting on replies.
By the way, the best search source I've found for reports on this
topic is this specialty database at DOE:
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/
It's a fantastic and deep resource, but again, nothing turns up with
the direct sort of cost comparision you're looking for. Still, you
might want to play around with it a bit.
If no other researcher dives in with an answer here, I'll get back to
you in a day or so if anything else turns up.
paf
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Clarification of Question by
strongdave-ga
on
10 Feb 2006 04:16 PST
Take your time Paf, I was just checkin :)
When posting your answer, feel free to include with your answer
everything you find even if not 100% relevant.
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Clarification of Question by
strongdave-ga
on
17 Feb 2006 11:47 PST
Dear Paf,
I'm still waiting for your answer. It has been more than a week, not a
day, since your last clarification. I'm looking forward to see what
you come up with. Don't hesistate to ask any questions u may have.
strongdave-ga
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Request for Question Clarification by
pafalafa-ga
on
17 Feb 2006 11:59 PST
Dave,
I'd love to be able to answer this for you, but I haven't really
turned up anything that is more on target than the links I provided
already.
It certainly seems that you're asking for some reasonable economic
information that should be out there...but I haven't found it, and the
experts in the field who I've contacted haven't come up with it,
either.
Sorry to have to throw in the towel, but even after a lot of hunting,
I haven't been able to find what you need.
paf
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Clarification of Question by
strongdave-ga
on
19 Feb 2006 05:39 PST
Dear Paf
It's ok don't worry about it. I understand the difficulty of finding
such info. However, I would appreciate it if you could post what you
found during your research as a comment to this question.
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