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Subject: black holes
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: orzel-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 08 Feb 2006 12:39 PST
Expires: 10 Mar 2006 12:39 PST
Question ID: 443243
an object (A) travels in black hole with speed 10 m a second supose
time dialation is 1m of travel in given derection means 1s into the
future
an object (B) travels 10m per s and dubles its speed every second untill
it gets to 200m per second
object (C) travels 10m a second than increases it's speed to duble that
in 0.5 of a second than duble that speed in 1\4 of a second
than it is 1\8 of a secong it goes duble that and so on but no mater what
distance it travells it will never reach a ful 1s yet it travels
within black hole where each meter of distance is to equal 1sec into
the future
what is the movement contra speed contra time for each of the objects
and can you show this matematicly?

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 08 Feb 2006 12:41 PST
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Clarification of Question by orzel-ga on 09 Feb 2006 15:11 PST
Let me start out I can not clame to be scientist that is part of the
reason I have not posted it under science but miscellanious
There fore if you feel question isn't worth your time or lacks scientific data
than you shouldyn't probably anser it. 
I have read somwere that they created some form of coil that moves beon light
speed. if that would be the case what is preventing that object to acheive
any speed. And if that would be the case the object could continuesly increase
it's speed and never reach the full one second of time. If that is to be a case
some scientist belive that black holes are capable to move a object
into the future. If that is to be so than what would hapen if object
that is allready
in temperal distortion move into the black hole and there fore into the future 
relative to this object. The main reason why the question seems so convaluted
is likly because as you probably know math needs to be based on solad
facts not asumptions or inconsistent theories. However if you are
wiling to tray to make a matematical equasion based on data provided
without juding it's velidity your
efforts will be appreciated. If you can provide reasoning why such
equasion is not posible and back it up with scientific evidence your
efforts also will be
appreciated but not as much as a consistant explanation that envolves
all posibilieties of the solution to the given problem. ps the anser
that will benefit man kind without destroing it will also be
apreciated but isn't required
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Subject: Re: black holes
From: kbrowntx47-ga on 08 Feb 2006 18:57 PST
 
Orzel, you better run that up to the full $200 if you want a decent answer.
Subject: Re: black holes
From: duncan147-ga on 17 Feb 2006 20:38 PST
 
Wow.  Strange question if you don't mind me saying.  I'm on a night
shift with very little to do other than stay awake so I'll have a
crack at it...

To start with I think it would be useful to re-state the question in
clearer terms, and give you the opportunity to clarify.

Mathematically defining the movement of your particles seems like the
least daunting step:
Particle a: Velocity = 10m/s
Particle b: Velocity = 10*2^time
Particle c: Velocity = 10*(1/(1-time))

That was mildy interesting.  Haven't worked an equation out since I
left school and took this dead end job.  Not to worry I resigned last
week and have a much better one lined up with no more night shifts! 
(sorry you'll have to find someone else to do your physics then...)

Now then, moving onto black holes...  A basic overview of how they
work might be handy:
A black hole is just a pile of matter that has collapsed into a single
point in space and has absolutely zero volume.  When we say an object
is in a black hole, we mean it is past the imaginary point at which
the gravity due to the black hole is so great that it is impossible
for anything, even light, to escape.  This is the swartzchild radius I
think.  Dunno how you spell it though.

You say the objects are in a black hole and 1m of travel results in
travelling 1 second into the future.  This is not an effect normally
associated with black holes - it simply means the object is travelling
at 1 metre per second.

The effects of black holes on objects are described by einstein's
theory of general reletivity.  Unfortunately I didn't take that course
at uni.  Went to the first lecture and was greatful it was an optional
module!  Basically they have the following effect:
If you were very far away from an object near a black hole, it would
appear to you that time was passing more slowly for that object, and
the object would seem to shrink.  Eg, if you attached a very large
clock to a rocket and fired it into a black hole, then watched it
though a telescope, it would seem to tick more slowly and would appear
to be contracted.  Interestingly, if you were on the rocket it would
tick normally as you would be under the same effect.

Moving on to the question itself - "what is the movement contra speed
contra time for each of the objects" - you would need to define two
more quantities to work this out - the mass of the black hole and the
distance of the particle from the black hole.  Even then, you have
specified how the velocity of each particle varies with time which
implies an external force is acting on them, so that part of the
question doesn't seem to make sense.  If you simply gave the starting
speed and position reletive to the black hole, it would be possible to
work out the path each particle would take as it spiraled into the
black hole, but don't look at me - the maths would be far too scary!

I'm curious why you asked this specific question.  Did you make it up
yourself as an example or did you find it somewhere?

Hope this helps in some way.  It killed about half an hour for me,
which was nice.  Only 2 1/2 hours to go.  I think I'll watch South
Park on telly...

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