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Tricky Definite Integral
Category: Science > Math Asked by: jlgassee-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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08 Feb 2006 16:30 PST
Expires: 10 Mar 2006 16:30 PST Question ID: 443333 |
Can you please show me how to solve the following integral, I'll use words where I can't use math symbols. The integral is the sum over the zero to pi/2 interval of the follwing expression: Log(sin x) dx. I know the answer: - (pi/2) * Log 2. But what I don't know is: 1. How to establish the integral is indeed definite. For x = 0, sin x = 0 and Log 0 isn't definite. That's the hardest part, if I remember correctly. 2. The juggling of variable substitutions, that's only allowed after determining the integral is definite. Thanks in advance and feel free to contact me at gassee@gmail.com if my limited command of math vocabulary in English makes the above unclear. JLG |
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Re: Tricky Definite Integral
From: me2me2-ga on 08 Feb 2006 17:00 PST |
This is an improper integral because log(sin x) is only integrable on (0, pi/2] not [0, pi/2]. To compute an improper integral, replace the nonintegrable point with a constant, then take the limit as that constant approaches the nonintegrable point. In this case, take the limit as c approaches 0, of the integral from c to pi/2 of log(sin x). To compute the integral, use integration by parts. Take the derivative of log(sin x) and the integral of 1dx. What you get then should be manageable. Some links: Improper Integrals http://www.sosmath.com/calculus/improper/intro/intro.html Integration by parts http://www.sosmath.com/calculus/integration/byparts/byparts.html |
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Re: Tricky Definite Integral
From: math_veda-ga on 09 Feb 2006 10:31 PST |
This is a difficult integral to evaluate and needs complex analysis techniques. The integral is dicussed in "Complex Analysis - Ahlfors" where you will find the method as well as the answer. |
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Re: Tricky Definite Integral
From: math_veda-ga on 09 Feb 2006 11:10 PST |
If you don't feel like opening Ahlfors and want to get a sense of why this integral is finite note that Integral 0 to delta ln(sin x) dx goes as delta*ln(sin (delta)) which goes to zero as delta goes to zero. |
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Re: Tricky Definite Integral
From: math_veda-ga on 09 Feb 2006 11:45 PST |
If you buy into my "delta*ln(sin delta)" argument in previous comment then the integral can be evaluated by formal manipulations as follows without invoking complex analysis Using x=pi/2-t we can show for integration over (0, pi/2) I = Int( ln (sin x) dx) = Int (ln (cos x) dx) Now adding these 2I = Int{0 to pi/2}( ln sin 2x dx) - ln 2 * pi/2 put 2x =t to get 2I = Int{0 to pi} (ln (sin t)dt/2) - ln 2 *pi/2 Split the first integral from 0 to pi/2 and pi/2 to pi 2I = 1/2 I + 1/2 Int{pi/2 to pi} (ln(sin t) dt) - ln 2* pi/2 Choosing t = pi/2+h you will get 2I = 1/2I + 1/2 I - ln 2 * pi/2 I = - pi/2*ln 2 |
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Re: Tricky Definite Integral
From: cnick-ga on 13 Feb 2006 12:47 PST |
It seems you don't understand the basics of integration very well... you asked, for example, " How to establish the integral is indeed definite. " It is a definite integral because it is an integral of a function over a specific integral. The actual function being integrated has nothing to do with whether or not it is a definite integral. This definite integral is _improper_ because Lim x->0 Log(Sin(x)) does not exist (it has a vertical asymptote at x = 0). Another poster suggested integration by parts - this will only get you another integral which is no easier to evaluate. |
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Re: Tricky Definite Integral
From: hpe-ga on 24 Feb 2006 04:21 PST |
Write log(sin(x)) = log(sqrt(1-cos(x)^2)) = 1/2 log(1-cos(x)^2) and use the series expansion for the logarithm, log(1-u) = -u -u^2/2 - u^3/3 ..., valid for -1 < u < 1. Then determine the integrals int_0^(pi/2) cos(x)^(2n) dx and sum the resulting infinite series. |
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