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what is this word?
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: pershing83-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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23 Jul 2002 18:13 PDT
Expires: 22 Aug 2002 18:13 PDT Question ID: 44357 |
Tell me about the word Pontesowna, what is it? A literary character? Will pay $20 for information re this word | |
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Re: what is this word?
Answered By: tehuti-ga on 25 Jul 2002 08:55 PDT Rated: ![]() |
What a fascinating hunt!!! I think this is my favourite question so far. Pontesowna is another spelling of Pandesowna, the character of the Gypsy Chief in "The Manuscript Found in Saragossa" by Jan Potocki (1761-1815) The clue to the mystery lies in the Yahoo messages by Pontesowna identified by pinkfreud. One of these messages is a challenge for people to find where the name comes from, and some clues are provided: ""It is 1739 and Alphonse van Worde, a Walloon officer serving the King of Spain, spends the night in a haunted inn in the Sierra Morena where he is plunged into a series of adventures, by turns mysterious, erotic and nightmarish. Convinced that he is being hunted by the Inquisition, he joins a band of wanderers-including a GYPSY chief(eh,eh, eh???? clue clue clue!!!)... " http://search.messages.yahoo.com/search/messages?tag_M=pontesowna&fname_M=txt_author This is a reference to The Manuscript Found in Saragossa by Jan Potocki (1761-1815) This is available on Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140445803/102-2145965-0856903 The index of the book is provided by Amazon at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0140445803/reader/14/102-2145965-0856903#reader-link There is an entry for the Gypsy Chief, whose name is Pandesowna. The Gypsy Chief has among the largest number of page references in the book. Note that pontesowna's message capitalises the word "gypsy" and follows it with the comment: clue, clue, clue!!! The newsletter of the The Association of Literary Scholars and Critics, Vol 6, no 3, Summer 2000 http://www.bu.edu/literary/newsletter/archive/6/6-3summer2000.pdf has an extensive article on Potockis book by Michael Weingard, in which he says that Pandesowna seems to advocate a life of freedom and unpredictability. A search on Pandesowna also brought up a page in Polish by Micha³ Otorowski, which analyses the book. http://www.arsregia.home.pl/9-10,%20Otorowski,%20Klucz.htm It states that Potocki brought a lot of kabbalistic ideas into his book, and also that he was very interested in systematizing everything. Otorowski notes that there are ten main characters who move through the stories, and suggests that they are associated with the sephiroth (spheres) of the kabbalistic Tree of Life, with Pandesowna the Gypsy Chief in position 6, that of the sphere Tiphareth. He then discusses two of the characters (Paszeko and Emina), showing how their stories could exemplify the attributes of their respective spheres (Yesod and Malkuth), but unfortunately does not continue this exposition for the remaining characters. Search strategy on Google: 1. Sierra Morena, stories, six days 2. "manuscript found in Saragossa" 3. Pandesowna |
pershing83-ga
rated this answer:![]() Good work and the $20 belongs tehuti-ga...he did the final work. I discovered the answer today also. Anyway I want to pay someone. Pershing-ga |
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Re: what is this word?
From: bowler-ga on 23 Jul 2002 18:48 PDT |
A search for ponte sow na in Google resulted in the following results: http://www.goOGLe.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=ponte+sow+na Clicking on the link is a page in portuguese that can be translated by Google refering to the sculptures of an artist named Ousmane Sow and his sculptures on a bridge ("Ponte" in Portuguese) in Paris. Ousmane Sow's official website is http://www.ousmanesow.com/mac/index.htm Maybe this is your word. It seems a stretch but I thought I would share this result with you. Thanks. |
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Re: what is this word?
From: pershing83-ga on 23 Jul 2002 20:33 PDT |
Bowler...well, a good try. But I doubt it. The word is used as a name and I do have an additional clue. It might be a character in European literature. I have made a fairly detirmined effort to work it out. Any other ideas will, of course, be appreciated. pershing83-ga |
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Re: what is this word?
From: pershing83-ga on 23 Jul 2002 20:35 PDT |
And BTW, spelling is correct. It is used as a proper name but with some unknown meaning |
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Re: what is this word?
From: blader-ga on 23 Jul 2002 21:24 PDT |
Dear pershing: Where did you come across the word? |
Subject:
word roots
From: kukhi-ga on 24 Jul 2002 08:57 PDT |
indeed the word can be broken down into its roots, the first: "ponte", was correctly identified as meaning "bridge," while "sowna" is seemingly derived from polish. I do not speak polish myself, but it appears as if "sowna" is some sort of slang or common as it does not appear in polish dictionaries. It could also have roots in latin when likened to "sono," to sing. This combination would make for a soniferous name like "bridge of song" which would effectively be used in literature. |
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Re: what is this word?
From: starrebekah-ga on 24 Jul 2002 12:28 PDT |
Here, I believe is where pershing found this "word"... http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7076494&tid=abt&sid=7076494&mid=24294&thr=24290&cur=24290&dir=d This will most likely be helpful in this search -Rebekah |
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Re: what is this word?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 24 Jul 2002 12:45 PDT |
Since "pontesowna" is evidently a Yahoo username, perhaps the easiest way to find out the name's origin is simply to ask the individual who chose that name as his handle. As Rebekah points out, this person has posted numerous messages on Yahoo messageboards. http://search.messages.yahoo.com/search/messages?tag_M=pontesowna&fname_M=txt_author |
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