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Subject:
Indoor Air Quality
Category: Science Asked by: john25-ga List Price: $50.00 |
Posted:
09 Feb 2006 08:28 PST
Expires: 11 Mar 2006 08:28 PST Question ID: 443635 |
I have a brand new 300,000 square foot warehouse building. The building is used only to store and distribute brand new automobile tires. There has never been any other use of the building. My problem is that when the heat turns on, we get a heavy haze (not smoke) throughout the building. The haze mainly resides in the upper portion of the building (toward the ceiling). We have had the heater manufactures representatives and two HVAC contractors check the heating units which they all say are working exactly has they should be. When the heat turns off, the haze goes away. It only takes about one hour for the haze to return after turning on the heat. The type of heaters used are two high volume and high efficient natural gas heaters/blowers mounted from the ceiling 1 million BTU each. The intake from the heaters processes about 90% indoor air and 10% exterior fresh air and the emissions is to the interior of the building, not the exterior. There seems to be a very fine black dust on the floor of the building. Our only thought is that the tires are coated with some type of material that is getting pulled in from the intake of the two heaters, burned, and then emitted as a haze in the warmer ceiling area. We have called several other tire distributors but nobody else seems to have this problem. Can anyone shed light on what is happening and a solution?. If you have had a similar experience is there an exposure risk to worker safety? What are the risks (i.e. health based, fire, explosion, etc.) | |
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Re: Indoor Air Quality
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 25 Feb 2006 20:59 PST |
I will suggest steps leading to the solution 1) Install dust monitor These instrument use an air pump and air filter to collect dist A bit like a small vaccuum cleaner. 2) Take collected sample to a lab and have content analysed Actually, a small vacuum cleaner would do, but there are industrial instruments built for this purpose. In some industries (mining) they are requred. Here are few examples: The DUSTTRAK is a portable, battery-operated laser photometer which gives you a real-time digital readout with the added benefits of a built-in data log ttp://www.industrysearch.com.au/products/viewrecord.asp?id=8413 Grimm 1100 series dust monitors utilize a built-in flow-controlled pump to draw the sample in through the sampling head at a rate of 1.26 1pm as required for many industrial hygiene applications. http://www.industrialsafetytalk.com/news/qua/qua105.html http://www.laboratorytalk.com/news/qua/qua114.html Health hazzard? Yes. Particle size is an important factor: Dusts greater than 10 microns in diameter tend to be trapped by the cilia in the nose, while those particles in the 6 to 10 micron range tend to travel only as far as the trachea. Dust and particulates, 3 to 5 microns. travel as far as the bronchia. http://www.dustmonitor.com/articles/provides_data.htm http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/LEACentral/Cleanup/Projects/LaMontana/HealthSafety.doc. Some instruments measure the opacity (visual manifestation of haze) The AethalometerTM measures ambient pollutant species of suspended carbonaceous particles, which are a ubiquitous component of traffic and industrial combustion emissions. (See Appendix B.) Continuous Particulate Monitors (CPM) are variants of opacity meters used for stack sampling of PM emissions and moniyors http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR974/MR974.AppA.html You may want to describe where you are. Chances are that local EPA office would know how to measure the aerosol. About the Field Research and Consultation Group (FRCG) Since 1956, the Field Research and Consultation Group has served the occupational safety and health needs of the state of Washington. Our services are provided without charge to businesses and labor groups in the state. Part of our funding comes from employers and workers in Washington State through their contributions to the Medical Aid and Accident Funds. http://depts.washington.edu/frcg/prj_concrete.html Search terms: dust analysis dust monitor aerosols and particulates Air Sampler Hedgie |
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Re: Indoor Air Quality
From: frde-ga on 09 Feb 2006 11:11 PST |
You are burning NG at the top of the building to heat it ? That is rather inefficient. Probably, yes, you are raising particles of rubber, incinerating them and creating clouds. If the system was expensive, and you do not want expend much more capital, then I suggest that you install some ducting that draws hot air from the top of the building down to the bottom level (recycle heat as it wants to go), but it would be sensible to filter the air. On the plus side you have a visible sign of a problem, on the down side, you have selected incompetent heating contractors. I'm not sure about the filters for micro particles of rubber, diffusing (or solidifying) it through water is unlikely ... perhaps an expert will pop up However, I know for sure that your heating system is upside down, and you need to clear out the rubber gunge, before somebody twigs what is happening. At a guess, ducting extracted air and detritus from the ceiling, could be run round the base of the warehouse for very little cost, filtering the crud is more of a problem, but if you are not that worried about heating bills, then you could simply pump it through cold wet sand Sunshine, you got a problem, a rubber haze could ignite Any experts on filters ? .... Cmon Captain F - this is your forte |
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Re: Indoor Air Quality
From: anpi-ga on 10 Feb 2006 14:27 PST |
My solution would be cleaning the particles by ion bombardment. Just install a tube with a fan in the ceiling and connect with a high voltage power source. That would circulate the air and so you would get no extra costs of re-heating it. This method also filters the smallest particles unlike conventional filters. The power consumption I would estimate at around 1-2 kW. --Andres |
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Re: Indoor Air Quality
From: azdoug-ga on 10 Feb 2006 20:01 PST |
I'm thinking it might be a humidity issue... any idea what the relative humidity is? For the given humidity (whatever it is), is the temperature somewhere around the dewpoint? What are the temperatures of inside and outside air? Any open water inside the building? |
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Re: Indoor Air Quality
From: azdoug-ga on 10 Feb 2006 20:17 PST |
One of the products of combustion for any hydrocarbon is water vapor... This might be what's accumulating at the top of your building... depending on the temperature and RH, it might show up as fog. CH4 + 2(O2) --> 2(H2O) + CO2 (neglecting nitrogen) So you're gonna get carbon dioxide and water vapor... Unless the combustion is fuel rich, you shouldn't get any unburned hydrocarbons in your products. Everything should be safe for the workers. To be on the safe side, is there any way to increase that 10% of outside air? Maybe 80/20 or 75/25? On very cold days, does the fog still appear? I was thinking if it was indeed water vapor, it might condense on the ceiling (if un-insulated) on colder days... |
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Re: Indoor Air Quality
From: leeportnoff-ga on 11 Feb 2006 21:13 PST |
you can find more information at www.drumair.com |
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Re: Indoor Air Quality
From: joe916-ga on 13 Feb 2006 00:17 PST |
As for the very fine black dust, if you utilize forklifts, I would say its from the forklift tires. On the other matters in california CALOSHA offers a free consultation service. I would check with your states OSHA. |
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Re: Indoor Air Quality
From: kakulia-ga on 22 Feb 2006 05:39 PST |
The haze observed by you is due to soot from incomplete combustion.Either the burners are faulty or the setting is incorrect. The soot remains suspended in the hot air , and when this air cools down the soot also settles down to the floor. Incomplete combustion can be caused both by lean mixture or rich mixture. The tires do not release any significant gas. The soot and air mixture can be highly explosive, and is dangerous given the nature of stores. The soot is also hazardous to health. There is no necessity for filters once the combustion is corrected. |
Subject:
Re: Indoor Air Quality
From: jonfox-ga on 03 Apr 2006 02:18 PDT |
I investigated a similar situation in the UK. This was in an unheated paper warehouse. A layer of black particles was being deposited on every surface. The warehouse has quite a heavy fork lift usage, and concluded that this was FLT tyre dust. You may be experiencing a similar thing, although the heating system may well be the true cause. I would suggest spreading the dust on paper to see if the particles mark the paper. If it does, you should suspect the heating system not burning stochiometrically. If not, it is most likely to be FLT tyre dust. I cannot envisage a mechanism for the stock being the source. Regards Jon |
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Re: Indoor Air Quality
From: frde-ga on 05 Apr 2006 05:10 PDT |
My hunch is that there is rubber dust coming from the tires. It should be quite easy to check with a small hand held vacuum cleaner. If you can get a fair amount of black rubber dust in the bag, then you know the cause. It could be FLTs - but given the stock in this case, I would go for the obvious. Piles of rubber tires will have manufacturing debris, and sufficient movement to produce particles from friction - perhaps enough to simulate 1000 FLTs. |
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