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Distance between two points on Mars
Category: Science > Astronomy Asked by: killa_guhrilla-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
09 Feb 2006 19:05 PST
Expires: 11 Mar 2006 19:05 PST Question ID: 443926 |
What is the distance between Tharsis Montes and Cydinia Mensae on Mars in kilometers? |
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Re: Distance between two points on Mars
From: kierenjohnstone-ga on 10 Feb 2006 03:51 PST |
After obtaining the longitude/latitude of the two points, apply a Great Circle Distance formula (look on Wikipedia). |
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Re: Distance between two points on Mars
From: qed100-ga on 10 Feb 2006 06:53 PST |
It depends on what coordinate system you are refering to. The planet's surface, on a large enough scale, tends to be approximately spherical. So the surface is a spherical coordinate system. But the planet is also embedded within a rectangular coordinate system. For two points on the planet's surface, there is an infinity of paths restricted to the spherical system between them. But there is one, unique such path on the surface which is the shortest of them all. But for those two same points there are infinitely many paths in the rectangular system, with a unique, shortest path between them. This path however is shorter than the shortest path on the surface. The reason of course is that in rectangular coordinates the shortest path reduces to a straight line segment, whereas on the surface the shortest path is restricted to a curved segment, which necessarily is longer, given the two end points. But, interestingly, if the two points are allowed to move towards each other while still restricted to the surface, as the distance in either coordinate system approaches zero, the ratio of the two lengths approaches 1/1. So just an "instant" before the points merge, their distances in both coordinate systems are equal. |
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Re: Distance between two points on Mars
From: brix24-ga on 10 Feb 2006 07:14 PST |
I get 5719 km if you want to check your (and my!) calculations. (This is about twice the Nashville to Los Angeles distance given in the wikipedia example.) Formula used: d=a cos-1 (cos del1 * cos del2 * cos (l1 - l2) + (sin del1 * sin del2)) which is Eq. 5 from http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GreatCircle.html where del1 = latitude of point 1 and l1 = longitude of point 1, etc, and a=Mars mean radius. (This equation is also one of those shown in wikipedia.) Data used is from http://nssdcftp.gsfc.nasa.gov/miscellaneous/planetary/viking/mars_gazetteer.txt for latitude and longitude Cydonia mensae: 37.00 12.80 (Note spelling difference) Tharsis Montes : 2.80 113.30 Average volumetric radius is from http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:msInCnMtaCAJ:www.spds.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/marsfact.html+mars+radius&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=safari 3390 km Check on calculations: first I set up a spreadsheet to calculate the example distance for earth given in wikipedia, then substitued in the values for the two points on Mars, so there should be a problem only if I typed in the Mars values correctly. (Note: I ended up converting degrees to radians; you could also use Excel functions like COS(RADIANS(del1)) and use degrees directly.) Search strategy; 1) "Tharsis Montes" "Cydinia Mensae" latitude longitude corrected to "Tharsis Montes" "Cydonia Mensae" latitude longitude at Google's suggestion 2) mars radius 3) "great circle" |
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Re: Distance between two points on Mars
From: brix24-ga on 10 Feb 2006 12:20 PST |
"so there should be a problem only if I typed in the Mars values correctly" should be "so there should be a problem only if I didn't type in the Mars values correctly" Here's hoping you get the same result; I also learned something about how Excel uses sin and arccos in the process. |
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