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Subject: History
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: bootsiesamerica-ga
List Price: $200.00
Posted: 10 Feb 2006 23:40 PST
Expires: 12 Mar 2006 23:40 PST
Question ID: 444453
What happened to Don Carlos de Espana, consul from Spain to New
Orleans from 1846 to 1850 and his family? He was accused of the
abduction of Rey, a jailer from Cuba who had turned three prisoners
free and fled to
America. Zachary Taylor was president at the time and withdrew Carlos
exequetor(sp)? There was a hung jury on guilt and I believe he returned to
Spain with or without his family?

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 11 Feb 2006 06:13 PST
I have to agree with the comment below...the fate of Don Carlos de
Espana after 1850 appears to be something of a mystery.

I have thus far found the following pieces of historical information:

--a handful of newspaper articles circa 1849 about Don Carlos, mostly
about the abduction case itself

--an 1850 report of more than 150 pages by the US State Department
that covers the abduction case...it is a wealth of details, including
many of the diplomatic telegrams that were flying back and forth at
the time

--a profile of Rey that covers his misadventures with Don Carlos


Beyond that, though, the trail simply goes cold.  I did not find any
post-1850 information.

Please let me know a bit more about your interests in this matter, and
whether the information on the outcome of the trial is of any
interest, or if it is only post-trial information that you are looking
for.

Thanks,

pafalafa-ga

Clarification of Question by bootsiesamerica-ga on 13 Feb 2006 12:47 PST
I already have the original works of the trial that I bought at
auction and I am MysteRose which site you quoted. I also have ships
arrival and all the main newspapers concerning the trial. I am seeking
only the whereabouts Of Carlos and family after he or they left
America. I also know his brother Enrique left Cuba as some form of
general and went to Puerto Rico as Governor for about a years
duration. I also have obtained the Espana tree listed in the
Encyclopedia of Spain. There my quest ended partially due to my not
speaking Spanish and lack of knowledge in how to proceed.I was told he
was killed in Spain! I believe he was my great great grandfather. I am
aware of Marilyn McCroskey's posts on the web and we are in close
communication. She also is believed to be a great great granddaughter.

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 14 Feb 2006 05:17 PST
This document from 1858 provides a clue, placing Don Carlos in
Tangier, though it's hard to be certain it's one and the same Don
Carlos:


"...Thanks him for his interesting letter; he has sent a note to the
Spanish government in support of Mr Porra's claim against Don Carlos
de Espana; he thought it proper to inform them of the breech of
confidence committed by Don Carlos de Espana; he stated that unless
Don Carlos de Espana was removed from Tangier, cooperation would cease
between the British and Spanish Mission in Morocco..."


Have you seen this before?

Clarification of Question by bootsiesamerica-ga on 14 Feb 2006 16:05 PST
Yes, I have the entire manuscript but was unable to connect this Don
Carlos as the one who was here in America. I had a genealogist that
did earlier work tell me the name Don Carlos in those years was like
the name John Smith in America. The genealogist that obtained the
military genealoy of this family told me it was interesting that he
never drew a pension, nor did his wife, which fit the legends in
America that he was killed and no one ever heard from the mother
again. I know his father was buried in the boveda of the sagrario in
Granada (in otherwords, "The Alhambra.")I was informed this was one of
the most powerful families in Spain at the time.

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 14 Feb 2006 18:13 PST
bootsiesamerica-ga,

It doesn't make sense to me to continue trying to research this
question, since you already seem to have covered a great deal of
territory already.  Anything I'm likely to uncover would probably be
materials you already have.

I wonder, though, if you've contacted any professional genealogists
who can research materials for you in Spain?  This seems the obvious
route to take, though you haven't mentioned that particular approach.

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck with this.  It's a fascinating
question, even for the disinterested bystander that I am, but it must
be even moreso for you, given the possible family connections.

Let us know what you find out.

pafalafa-ga

Clarification of Question by bootsiesamerica-ga on 14 Feb 2006 22:45 PST
Thanks team, I really appreciate your effort and I will send you any
further information I find. Yes, I have considered a professional in
Spain and it appears I really have few choices if I am to find
answers. Again my thanks!
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Subject: Re: History
From: frde-ga on 11 Feb 2006 03:28 PST
 
Looks like other people have been hunting for this

http://mysterose2.homestead.com/Espana.html
|Facts Known: Carlos de Espaņa arrived in New Orleans From Cuba with his Wife ...|

It looks inconclusive.
Subject: Re: History
From: frde-ga on 14 Feb 2006 01:59 PST
 
@Bootsies

Interesting, so I ran into your research, kind of figures :-)

Assuming he did the sensible thing and skipped back to Spain, how do
you explain two great, great grandchildren in the USA ?
- perhaps there is a clue in that

There are Spanish speakers here, perhaps if you pointed them at some
of the stuff you have dug up, they could work from there.

Good Luck.

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