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Gold Bars: Math
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: m00se-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
19 Dec 2004 08:07 PST
Expires: 18 Jan 2005 08:07 PST Question ID: 444674 |
There is a room with 17 vaults, labelled 1 to 17. In each vault there are 20 to 30 gold bars. All gold bars look exactly the same, but there is a problem: one vault contains exclusively real gold bars, in the rest of the vaults all bars are fake and worthless. The only observable difference of the bars is the weight: The real gold bars are 1050 grams, the fake gold bars are 1000 grams. You can keep all the bars of one vault, so you want to know which one contains the real gold bars. Here's what you can do: (1) You may take out any number of fake or real gold bars out of any of the vaults. (2) You may weigh any combination of the bars on a scale (the scale can easily detect gram differences in a range of 1 to 500 kg). However: you may only weigh ONCE (1 times), meaning you may put all the bars you want on the scale, read the weight the scale returns, think for a while, and name the number of the vault containing the real gold bars. |
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Re: Gold Bars: Math
From: sultanarun-ga on 19 Dec 2004 09:47 PST |
hai
i am not yet a google researcher .
If the answer is satisfactory u can withdraw the question ...
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In order to solve this puzzle, remember these hints:
* We don't know how much the bags weigh, so don't put the bags on the scale.
* In other words, you may open the bags
* You don't have to put all the bars on the scale
* Why don't you put ten different piles of gold bars on the scale?
* Make sure each pile has a different number of bars in it.
* Use your calculator to see how much all the bars on the scale
SHOULD weigh if all the bars are perfect.
* How many ounces too heavy is the fake bar?
* I bet you can finish it from here.
http://www.mazes.com/scales/Scale203.html
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Best regards
arun |
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Re: Gold Bars: Math
From: probonopublico-ga on 19 Dec 2004 10:28 PST |
Hai I am not yet a google researcher either ... BUT, using sultanarun-ga's method, I cannot figure how he can possibly get a fix on the real bars. |
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Re: Gold Bars: Math
From: probonopublico-ga on 19 Dec 2004 10:34 PST |
Got it! Here's what to do: Take 1 bar from Vault 1; 2 bars from Vault 2; etc. Then weigh the lot. From the total weight, you can then deduce the Vault Number from the excess weight! Bingo! |
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Re: Gold Bars: Math
From: flajason-ga on 19 Dec 2004 14:20 PST |
probonopublico - you are absolutely correct. Kudos to you for your exceptional logical thinking. When you weigh all the bars according to probono's suggestion, you will have a total between 159800 - 160600 grams. The following chart will tell you which vault the REAL gold is in. Weight Vault 160600 1 160550 2 160500 3 160450 4 160400 5 160350 6 160300 7 160250 8 160200 9 160150 10 160100 11 160050 12 160000 13 159950 14 159900 15 159850 16 159800 17 |
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Re: Gold Bars: Math
From: probonopublico-ga on 19 Dec 2004 22:45 PST |
Er, well not quite, flajason ... You would weigh 153 bars with 152 @ 1000 and 1 @ 1050, etc. to give the following table: Weight Vault 153050 1 153100 2 153150 3 153200 4 153250 5 153300 6 153350 7 153400 8 153450 9 153500 10 153550 11 153600 12 153650 13 153700 14 153750 15 153800 16 153850 17 153 The total weight would increase consistent with the number of real (ie heavier) bars. |
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Re: Gold Bars: Math
From: flajason-ga on 20 Dec 2004 06:24 PST |
My apologies. I transposed the weights... Original question: Fake gold = 1000g Real gold = 1050g In my reality: Fake gold = 1050g Real gold = 1000g I probably did this subconsciously thinking that the fake gold would have been made from lead, which is slightly heavier than gold. Au=196.9, Pb=207.2 |
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