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Subject:
Transfer of energy from air explosion to soil---need authoritative text(s)
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: jmpollock-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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11 Feb 2006 18:24 PST
Expires: 13 Mar 2006 18:24 PST Question ID: 444683 |
I need to demonstrate that any air explosion (fireworks, natural gas explosion, etc.) sends shock waves or a vector through the ground as well as through the air. The air part is easy, but I need authoritative text(s) to demonstrate that some portion of that energy is transferred through soil. | |
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Re: Transfer of energy from air explosion to soil---need authoritative text(s)
From: qed100-ga on 11 Feb 2006 23:15 PST |
Hmmm? The only authoritative reference needed to assert that some *portion* of the energy gets transferred into the soil is high school level physics. For instance, suppose a firecracker explodes in midair at some height above ground. The shock wave radiating from it through air carries energy & momentum. As the wave strikes the ground it very surely does interact with the soil. There is an exchange of both energy and momentum. There's really no way to avoid it. |
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Re: Transfer of energy from air explosion to soil---need authoritative text(s)
From: jmpollock-ga on 15 Feb 2006 17:14 PST |
I'm a trial lawyer and I have to prove this to a Judge and Jury. What texts, treatises,etc. prove that point? |
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Re: Transfer of energy from air explosion to soil---need authoritative text(s)
From: qed100-ga on 15 Feb 2006 18:43 PST |
Is this an actual point of contention in some litigation you're dealing with? |
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Re: Transfer of energy from air explosion to soil---need authoritative text(s)
From: qed100-ga on 15 Feb 2006 19:28 PST |
Let's put it this way: Have you ever been inside your house, with all the windows & doors closed, but were also able to hear sounds originating from outside? This is because sound waves carry energy, and when they strike the walls of your house they excite the material of which the walls are made and the sound wave is propagated through the walls, where the energy further excites the interior air which conducts the wave to your ear. So if you are in court and someone claims that *no* portion of the energy from an airburst can penetrate into the soil, ask in return if it's reasonable to assert that at no depth whatsoever would the sound be audible to someone under the surface. Now of course, soil is a pretty good accoustical insulator; it scatters sound energy rapidly with depth. At a depth of just a few feet it's possible that ordinary sounds of people going about their business could be indiscernible to a human ear. But on the other hand, it's just a matter of degree. Surely, were I a few feet underground while powerful artillery shells airburst above the surface, I would expect to hear the bombardment. |
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Re: Transfer of energy from air explosion to soil---need authoritative text(s)
From: myoarin-ga on 16 Feb 2006 05:13 PST |
Greetings, As you can see from Qed's comment, in the abstract, there is no question that there is a transfer. IF you could be more specific about the actual incident, there is a much greater likelihood that an authoritative text can be found. Regards, Myoarin |
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Re: Transfer of energy from air explosion to soil---need authoritative text(s)
From: jmpollock-ga on 18 Feb 2006 13:50 PST |
Yes, this is point in contention before the jury. What books or articles can I use. Jeff |
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Re: Transfer of energy from air explosion to soil---need authoritative text(s)
From: qed100-ga on 18 Feb 2006 15:48 PST |
Well, without knowing the details of the controversy in your particular case, I'd advise you to recruite the services of a college physics professor as an expert witness. Said expert will be able to explain why sound is known to carry energy, and why some portion that energy certainly does penetrate into soil. (Not all. Some of the energy will be reflected back into the air.) Or, you could procure a seismologist for the same expertise. Seismology is essentially studying the geology deep beneath our feet by way of sound waves, which are known to travel through rocks & soils. The destructive energy of an earthquake is really just very powerful soundwaves propagating through the ground. In addition, a simple experiment can be performed, which would be to emplace two identical sound recording devices: one above ground, and one below, in the soil. Set off a loud sound-generating event, such as a firecracker, etc., with both devices simultaneously recording the event. If the event is loud enough, and the depth of the soil shallow enough, the sound will be recorded even by the buried microphone. |
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Re: Transfer of energy from air explosion to soil---need authoritative text(s)
From: myoarin-ga on 19 Feb 2006 03:52 PST |
Sometimes we get sidetracked from the basic question. Of course major air explosions create shock waves in the ground, as any observer of such has experienced. Even very loud noises, such as a starting jet, can be felt as vibrations under one's feet. Of course, as the force of the blast is reduced, the ground shock decreases very greatly. Here are some sites that may be of help. http://iac.dtic.mil/iac_dir/SAVIAC.html http://www.blastgardintl.com/td_explosion_terminology.asp scroll down to "collateral damage" http://www.fema.gov/pdf/fima/427/fema427_ch3.pdf see end of second paragraph http://cmmfa.mmu.ac.uk/project/blastwave.html see end of second paragraph http://www.jpyro.com/journal/issue_12/ see third abtract http://www.pci.org/pdf/DN/DN_blast1.pdf See "blast basics". The graphics (car bomb) and government sources referenced may be of additional help to your argument. http://www.emergency.com/carbomb.htm scroll down to "post-bomb cordon" http://library.witpress.com/pdfs/abstracts/SU04/SU04006AU.pdf See last lines of this unfortunately truncated site. http://www.saviac.org/Newsletters/Jan_2005/January%202005.pdf SAVIAC is the DoD center for Shock and Vibration studies. I expect that it could direct you to specific texts directly appropriate to your case. http://www.asial.com.au/files/EndUser_BowesDec04.pdf See page two, first column. http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/latest/hemel_hempstead_11122005.htm I hope this is of use. |
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