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Subject:
Grimm's Law
Category: Relationships and Society > Cultures Asked by: rambler-ga List Price: $3.00 |
Posted:
22 Dec 2004 14:06 PST
Expires: 24 Dec 2004 13:36 PST Question ID: 446158 |
This question has to do with something called the Great Consonant Shift (aka Grimm?s Law), which occurred in Europe a long time ago. The sounds of the consonants in the Common Germanic shifted systematically from the Indo-European. For example, p -> f (pater -> father) t -> th (triple -> three) k -> h (cornet -> horn) b -> p (bacillus -> peg) d -> t (decimal -> ten) g -> k (grain -> corn) I realize that the shift may have taken centuries to complete, but is there a generally accepted explanation of HOW such an extraordinary phenomenon might have occurred? (I?m trying to imagine Germanic ancestors sitting around the fire, many centuries B.C., and suddenly proclaiming, ?Let?s not say pater anymore. Instead, let?s say father.?) |
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Subject:
Re: Grimm's Law
From: guzzi-ga on 22 Dec 2004 16:38 PST |
Specifically, don?t know, but perhaps linked to the dissolution of ?High German?. The related phenomenon of ?rotating vowels? especially in the North of US has I believe been quite extensively studied. Very few hits on Goog for ?rotating vowels? but quite a lot for ?vowel rotation?. I leave to you. Best |
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Re: Grimm's Law
From: nanoalchemist-ga on 23 Dec 2004 09:56 PST |
I think it's pretty impressive that this is the same Grimm of Fairy Tale Fame. Language shifts like that do usually happen slowly, over time. Sometimes they happen quickly. Either a particular way of saying something is easier (eg, "a napple" becoming "an apple") or one way becomes more socailly acceptable (based on economics, personality, what have you.) Living in "ubran US" as I do now, I can think of two very annoying examples. First: more and more people are saying "dubbaya" rather than "double-you" for the letter "W". The other that drives me simple bonkers is "aks" in place of "ask," as is "can I aks you you a question." The funny thing about the latter is that in old English "aksan" was a pefectly legitmate word. What's really changed is that we now have much better methods of communication, which in turn have made necessary standarization in language. Things like dictionaries have both desriptive function, in that they tell you what a word means, but also a proscriptive function, that tell one how to say the word, how it's spelled, and what it means. That would be the closest to a bunch of people sitting around and deciding "Hey, lets say it this way..." Even so, there are still influences based on national/ regional/ city dialects, and things can still shift over time. For those interested, a good link to Grimm's Law is at http://www.finucane.de/grimm.htm |
Subject:
Re: Grimm's Law
From: fp-ga on 23 Dec 2004 13:22 PST |
"Sound change" as described on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_change |
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