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Subject:
Bal dropping in the ocean
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: ayespi-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
16 Feb 2006 08:23 PST
Expires: 28 Feb 2006 16:02 PST Question ID: 446540 |
How long will it take a steel ball dropped at the surface of the mariana trench to reach the ocean bottom? I am prepared to ignore the effect of temperature on viscosity. Assume that the ball has a diameter of 2cm. | |
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Subject:
Re: Bal dropping in the ocean
From: rracecarr-ga on 16 Feb 2006 13:16 PST |
Let's say your sphere will fall at somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 m/s. The Reynold's number (Re = Ud/v, where U is velocity, d is diameter, and v is kinematic velocity) is then somewhere around 40,000. So the drag coefficient (C) is 0.43. (http://www.fluidmech.net/jscalc/cdre01.htm). The drag coefficent curve is quite flat in this Reynold's number range, so it doesn't matter if our 2 m/s guess is off. 1 m/s gives you a C of 0.44, and 3 m/s gives you a C of .43, so .43 is plenty close enough. Drag coefficient is C = D/(0.5 rho_w U^2 A), where D is drag, rho_w is density of seawater, U is velocity, and A is cross-sectional area. To get terminal velocity, set D equal to the weight of the steel ball in seawater: D = g*V*(rho_s - rho_w), where g is the acceleration of gravity, V is the volume of the ball, and rho_s is the density of steel. The density of steel is about 7850 kg/m^3, and that of seawater is about 1050 kg/m^3 (less at the surface, but more at the bottom of the Mariana Trench). So we have C*(0.5 rho_w U^2 A) = g*V*(rho_s - rho_w) or, U = sqrt[2g*V*(rho_s - rho_w) / (C*rho_w*A)] with C = 0.43 rho_w = 1050 kg/m^3 rho_s = 7850 kg/m^3 A = 0.000314 m^2 g = 9.8 m/s^2 V = 4.19E-6 m^3 U = ????? Solving, U = 1.98 m/s. (Did I get really lucky with my guess or did I cheat?) As you know, the viscosity will increase with depth because the temperature decreases. However, the viscosity only changes the Reynold's number, and we already noted that in this range, C is insensitive to changes in Re. So the answer should be fairly accurate. The depth of the Marianas trench is about 11,000 meters, so it would take 93 minutes for the ball to reach the bottom. |
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Re: Bal dropping in the ocean
From: ayespi-ga on 21 Feb 2006 12:09 PST |
Thanks. Your calculation seems entirely plausible. Two questions: 1) Does the compression of the steel ball reduce the coefficient of drag sufficiently to change its velocity? 2)Does the reduced gravity at that depth have any effect? I think that these are probably miniscule and would only affect the time insignificantly. |
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Re: Bal dropping in the ocean
From: rracecarr-ga on 21 Feb 2006 13:57 PST |
I definitely agree that those are both insignificant perturbations. The compressibility of steel is less than that of the water, so while the ball hardly changes in size at all, the density of the water increases from 1020 kg/m^3 at the surface to 1070 at the bottom. The gravity changes by less than 1 part in 1000. |
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Re: Bal dropping in the ocean
From: ayespi-ga on 21 Feb 2006 16:44 PST |
Thanks for the answer. This was the subject of a much heated debate while diving not too far from the trench! The answers suggested by the locals (actually stated categorically!) were in the range of over 9 hours. I was unsure of the terminal velocity of a steel ball in seawater. This will silence them f'sure! |
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